Foreclosure Fridays Live 5

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July 6th 2007: in this talkcast, hosted live from a Sacramento cafe,[1] an "in between places" Casey Serin again faces the haterz firing squad.

[edit] Summary

0:00:00 - Casey Serin
Casey opens the talkcast with a little news about his impending lawsuit.
0:02:56 - The Dude
The Dude questions Casey's business acumen: "you don't have what it takes."
0:08:53 - Sebastian
Sebastian probes Casey on the serin.us email addresses.
0:16:32 - CHJTS
CHJTS offers Casey a light warmup and proposes some Olympic events.
0:22:15 - LostSite
LostSite discusses legal process.
0:30:33 - Nigel Swaby
0:41:19 -- AGSCodPSR
AGSCodPSR asks Casey about his spreadheet. Casey responds: "you guys can hold me accountable on this blog that by the end of this week I'll have an updated spreadsheet."
0:43:31 - Duane LeGate
Duane rings to convey a message from Galina, to the effect that Casey's marriage is very definitely not all good. Casey eventually cuts him off.
0:49:13 - Pink Lips
Supporter Pink Lips paints Duane's help in a nasty hue and offers Casey marriage advice, after inviting him for a cozy Colorado visit: "I've got a five thousand square foot foot home, it's me and my dog." But does she have koi?
0:57:27 - LossMitPro (Mark Villaseñor)
LossMitPro reaches the end of his already short fuse.
1:08:36 - Relentless
A mystery caller lives up to his name by pressing Casey repeatedly on the subject of his fraudulent behavior. He is eventually muted when he starts criticizing Pink Lips. Casey refers to his Haterz™ as "Mafia people".
1:15:34 - Naxlin
1:18:23 - SaveYourMarriageCasey
1:27:43 - IslandStyle
1:37:37 - JakeMN
1:54:16 -- M. SINGH
Haterz™ favorite M.SINGH makes a very brief appearance under an assumed name. Casey recognizes his voice immediately and cuts him off after a couple of sentences, though not before he was able to establish that Casey had not purchased an iPhone.
1:55:31 - ChicagoBroad66 (Lisa)
A brief chat about personal responsibility, an issue Casey knows about as much about as he does foreclosure or elementary business skills.
1:59:30 - Snackle
Snackle asks some tough questions about Casey's psychological stability, but is assured that he doesn't need any help. He does concede that it might be worth seeing a doctor, if only to find out how to cope with all the stress he's under.

[edit] Opening Statement

CASEY
Hey guys, welcome everybody to another IamFacingForeclosure.com Foreclosure Friday live talkcast. I should say I'm at the Capitol Garage café in downtown Sacramento. I was here trying to look up my filing at the court, at the Superior Court, and so I was just in the area. I couldn't make it home in time, and stopped by this place because I know they have a free wi-fi. So we'll cover just a couple of things. I've been kinda busy today, my first day back from my trip in Australia and then Seattle and Portland, so I just had a lot of stuff going on. My moderator's on vacation, so that's why the comments on the latest post have been kind of held back - there are almost two hundred comments by now.
So what do we have for the agenda? Pretty much I was just gonna talk about this lawsuit. I don't want to say too much about it, I don't know what I'm supposed to share and not supposed to share, so I'll just talk about what's on there. I haven't had a chance to talk with an attorney yet, but I am trying to get ahold of one. There's been several referrals given to me from the community and also there are some referrals from my existing network that I'm gonna look at.
So what's going on with this whole lawsuit thing? I really don't know, the whole thing seems really frivolous - I've already said that on the blog. So people are trying to tell me what to do, what not to do, with how I make money. I think Mark has no grounds for this lawsuit, but he seems to want to keep going, so I'm going to have to just do what I have to do. I'm going to call his bluff - if he was just trying to have me back down with legal tactics then I'm not sure I want to back down just from that. It doesn't seem right to use such shady tactics, especially after gaining my trust and me sending him a copy of the joint venture agreement a while back as a token of my trust and trying to resolve the whole thing without going to court, but it didn't seem to work.
But anyway, I don't want to talk too much about it - I think I'm just going to go directly to questions because I don't have much else to say. Aside from that I'm trying to catch up on all the business at home. Unfortunately I'm not welcome at home home, and I am staying at a place right now that I'm not going to disclose. Actually, there's been several places I can stay, but for now I'm in a location where I'll be all right for a few days and we'll just go from there, based on what ends up developing here. So we'll just go with questions and we'll start with The Dude. Go ahead, The Dude.

[edit] The Dude

(2:56)

THE DUDE
Casey can you hear me?
CASEY
Yeah, I sure can.
THE DUDE
Okay. What I'd like to ask you about is your book deal. What I read online was: you're paying your publisher to publish your book. Is that true?
CASEY
Um: I've been in contact with my publisher and he really doesn't want me to share anything else about it, unfortunately. I guess I've already said too much on there. So he's kinda pissed off right now. And so I want to respect that whole thing... but what I will say is we're still moving forward, as far as I know, and we're going to have some more talks in the next few days to iron down what exactly is going to happen this month. So, I don't want to share in terms of who's paying what, and this and that-- again, I kind of shared too much already on the blog. And so...
THE DUDE
Okay, fair enough. One other question I have for you. I [dropout] a whole lot of time because, you know, like you say you want to keep it organic and let other people share too. But, alright: kind of what your long term plans are? When are you gonna stop this kind of like a fantasy run and settle down into the real world, with real plans, for a real life, and go from here? 'Cause really, you've gotta admit, this has kind of been a fantasy-land thing.
CASEY
Um... when am I gonna settle down? Well, when I'm able to settle my debts, and improve the financial situation, and take care of everybody who's involved, I'm gonna settle down. The goal is to unwind my mess, it's not to run away from it. Even though people think I'm running around the world, there was a lot of strategy behind that, so...
THE DUDE
Well Casey, I've been in business, before I retired, for pretty much thirty years. I know business. [dropout] seen people fail, I've seen people succeed, I know what it takes. And I've gotta be honest with you, you don't have what it takes to succeed in business. And I'm really stunned that you don't realize that.
CASEY
Okay. Well, I guess you'll have to join the ranks of the critics, the people that want to see me fail.
THE DUDE
I didn't say I wanted to see you fail. I just know from having so many years in business that you don't have what it takes. And all you're doing is prolonging the pain and agony by not realizing that and moving on to something that you can do.
CASEY
What, so what's an example of something I can do? 'Cause you're saying I should do-- I should stop doing any kind of business, correct?
THE DUDE
I don't believe that you can-- you have what it takes to be successful in business. The two biggest things that it takes are character, and hard work. And i believe your track record is pretty clear on that. That from a character standpoint, you have to [dropout] word as your sacred bond. That's something that you continually haven't done. And then, quite frankly, Casey, you don't work!
CASEY
(chuckles)
THE DUDE
It takes hard work to succeed!
CASEY
Yeah? Well, I partially agree with that. I think it takes smart work, not necessarily hard work.
THE DUDE
Well... you don't work smart either! You don't work!
CASEY
(chuckles again) Yeah... um...
THE DUDE
I mean really, I'm not trying to beat you up, I'm just making an observation that, you know, not opening your mail, and not facing up reality of the situation, and on and on and on and on... So, why is it that you continue to go down this road? Do you really believe that you can succeed?
CASEY
Absolutely.
THE DUDE
And what makes you think?
CASEY
Because if you put your mind to it, you can do it.
THE DUDE
That's not true. If I wanted to-- in my mind-- if I wanted to be an NFL quarterback [dropout] It doesn't matter how much I want to, it doesn't matter how much desire I have. I don't have what it takes to be the Dallas Cowboys' quarterback. So, that's not true.
CASEY
Okay.
THE DUDE
You don't have what it takes to succeed in business. You don't. You don't have the qualities. So don't you think you need to spend time figuring out what you can do? Instead of trying to continue to fail?
CASEY
No, I'm already on track. That's a good road. It's just that there's a few obstacles in the way, so I have to get over it.
THE DUDE
And what is your plan for success?
CASEY
Just keep pushing with what I'm doing: paying off debt, monetizing the current situation with exposure and all that, and making money any way I can with opportunities I have in front of me.
THE DUDE
So you're paying your lenders, and you're paying your creditors?
CASEY
I'm paying some of 'em. And I'm going to get in a position to pay even more of 'em.
THE DUDE
Who have you paid?
CASEY
Who am I paying? I'm paying my corporate credit debt.
THE DUDE
What about your lenders?
CASEY
My what?
THE DUDE
Your lenders. The people that you borrowed money from.
CASEY
My other lenders? Yeah, I'm getting in a position to pay those too.
THE DUDE
Have you contacted them?
CASEY
No. Not yet.
THE DUDE
Have you contacted CashCall?
CASEY
No, not yet.
THE DUDE
So, I think you just answered my question.
CASEY
Okay. The Dude thinks that I can't-- I have nothing-- that I don't have what it takes to succeed. So that's your opinion, that's fine, everyone's entitled to one. Is there anything else that you wanted to say before we move on? Because we've gotta keep it pretty quick for each person.
THE DUDE
Why don't you go ahead and then bring me back later. Okay?
CASEY
Sounds good. Thanks, Dude. All right, that was the Dude.

[edit] Sebastian

(8:53)

CASEY
Okay, we'll go down the list, we'll go with Sebastian. Sebastian, go ahead.
SEBASTIAN
Casey.
CASEY
Yeah.
SEBASTIAN
Hey, yeah, I was wondering: how did the trip go in Australia? All things considered.
CASEY
Oh, the trip was amazing, it was really amazing. I didn't know what to expect -- I mean, I had some idea of what might happen, but it ended up being a lot better than I thought.
SEBASTIAN
So, now that you're back here in the Unite--
CASEY
Aside from, aside from of course the only downside to the whole thing of course: coming home realizing I'm not welcome home. That part is kind of hard to take, but... we'll just have to take it one day at a time.
SEBASTIAN
Now were you expecting that? That you weren't going to be welcomed?
CASEY
I-- I really didn't. Because-- I know, people say well, what did you think, leaving like that? But I actually, ah... from my, from my side, it seemed like I was leaving on somewhat good terms. At least I was expecting to be in communication daily, but, unfortunately there's been no communication, or very very little. And that's-- I definitely did not expect that. So. That was, ah--
SEBASTIAN
So it's a little communication -- what did you do on your end to help try and remedy that? Were you actually kept in contact with the--
CASEY
Oh, I was in constant contact! Repeated attempts for phone calls, repeated attempts for email conversations, but-- there's been some contact, but very limited, obviously.
SEBASTIAN
I heard-- I'm sorry. From my understanding, your family members didn't have your cellphone number when you were in Australia. Is that right?
CASEY
They didn't what?
SEBASTIAN
They didn't have your cellphone number in Australia.
CASEY
Oh no, I did-- the cellphone, I got the cellphone towards the end of the trip. I had my other phone, through Skype, that I gave access to my family members to contact me with. And I've been talking with a lot of other people. So it's not that I was hard to reach, that's for sure.
SEBASTIAN
Oh--
CASEY
And there was definitely initiative on my part. But again, I'm trying not to involve my family members in this conversation too much, 'cause, you know, still trying to respect everybody.
SEBASTIAN
Right, yeah, I understand. So, you came back to your house, and you found the locks were changed?
CASEY
Actually I didn't go back home. Because, ah, because I wanted to respect again my family member -- singular -- meaning, ah, I wanted to give them room and space. But I was not welcome back home. So, that's why I didn't go over there.
SEBASTIAN
So, you were saying-- so it's more than one place that you say you're not welcome at?
CASEY
Um... so far just one.
SEBASTIAN
Just one. So where are you s-- I mean, are you at the friend's house from before where you tried to do the podcast from, ah, when you had to shut the site down a month ago? Or where are you staying now?
CASEY
I'm kind of in between places. So... so yeah, I can't really disclose.
SEBASTIAN
Hmm-hmm.
CASEY
We'll see. It's kind of taking it one day at a time, there's a lot of stuff up in the air right now. And I don't know how long I'll be in the-- in the Sacramento area at this point. We'll see.
SEBASTIAN
So you're going to be leaving Sacramento again? So, what, you're just gonna--
CASEY
Yeah, there's a, there's a possibility.
SEBASTIAN
So is somebody offering to buy you another plane ticket? Or what's going on?
CASEY
No. No, there's just another possibility. Again, I can't disclose. There's a-- unfortunately, on this podcast/talkcast, not going to be able to be as open as I normally am, because, again, there's a lot of stuff up in the air. Um--
SEBASTIAN
Well, you're never open.
CASEY
Yeah, but but-- on this one it's going to be less so, unfortunately.
SEBASTIAN
So, um: this afternoon on, ah, some haterz, if you call them that, they found some postings from earlier in the month, on Craigslist, where it looks like it was your brother, steve@serin.us, was posting some scams online trying to get some people to sign up for a webhosting deal. And from everybody's understanding, Steve isn't that literate with computers, and it seems more that it's something that was your alley. And I was wondering if you have anything to say about that. In terms of, ah, if you have anything to do with that. Because the serin.us address is registered under your name and maintained by you.
CASEY
Well hey, are you saying that there's something posted with my domain on there? Huh. Is it, ah-- where would I get a link to that? You know, could you send my a link to it so I can investigate? 'Cause if someone's trying to fake my stuff out--
SEBASTIAN
Well, I can't send you a link while I'm talking to you on the phone, but what I'm saying is that-- ah, actually I can read it to you right now, I'm looking at it. "Hello there, I'm posting this for two kinds of people. One, people interested in making their own website for just ten bucks," blah blah blah, "Two, people who want to make some extra money." Then it goes on to a referrals scheme that is that for a hundred dollars for twe--
CASEY
Wait wait, what's the email address on there?
SEBASTIAN
Steve at serin dot us.
CASEY
Oh okay, yeah yeah, Steve is doing some kind of, um, online business. I keep talk-- he talked to me about it but I wasn't interested. So it must be, it must be regarding that whole thing.
SEBASTIAN
Sure you weren't interested? Because this seems like something right up your alley, because this is also similar to what you were doing before where, ah, what was your friend Ramit, I Can-- I'm sorry, I can't remember exactly, but we were saying how you could take this money and get like a thirty percent return--
CASEY
No it's comp-- it's completely unrelated.
SEBASTIAN
--or something?
CASEY
Completely unrelated, I wasn't interested.
SEBASTIAN
Because a lot of people have been hypothesizing that the email addresses at serin.us aren't real and that they just redirect back to your personal email address. Because you--
CASEY
No, that's not true.
SEBASTIAN
With your mother, and your wife's email address, how you were intercepting those and reading them.
CASEY
That's not true. People have their own separate emails, I'm not reading anybody's email. There-- there's not even an ability for me to read their email unless I change their password, and if I do that they'll know about it, so -- I let people have their privacy.
SEBASTIAN
So how did you get the email from, um, how'd you get the email from before, where, ah, that, um--
CASEY
Well, no no, okay, let me clarify. Some of those emails are aliases for my own name, and some of them are individual email addresses for my family members. I'm not going to say which one is which.
SEBASTIAN
So say, like, ah, your wife's name at serin is an alias for your own name? So if someone were to try to contact your wife, they'd be contacting you?
CASEY
No. No. No. She has her own.
SEBASTIAN
And then for your mother, if they were trying to contact your mother, they would instead actually be contacting you instead of your mother?
CASEY
She has her own too. But there's certain aliases on the domain--
SEBASTIAN
Well then how did--
CASEY
--especially ones that are misspelled and--
SEBASTIAN
--'cause I was reading that those were the only two email addresses that were sent to. So what other aliases are there?
CASEY
Well I'm not going to tell you what's on the domain. I mean, what are you trying to get at? Have me compromise an entire security--
SEBASTIAN
I'm trying to get at-- you see, Casey, right now you're lying to me, because you're saying that it was sent to other email addresses. And it was only sent to those two email addresses, from what every-- from what we can see.
CASEY
Which ones? Okay, let me ask you back the question, that's fine--
SEBASTIAN
I can't-- well, I know I can't say-- it's galina@serin.us and anna@serin.us that it was sent to.
CASEY
Um: Galina has her own. So.
SEBASTIAN
So then how did you get that email?
CASEY
The other one's an alias. So. That's all I'm going to say.
SEBASTIAN
So your mother is an alia-- your mother's email address is an alias that gets redirected to your email address--
CASEY
Hey, hey, you're bringing my family on here again, and that's not right.
SEBASTIAN
I know, I'm sorry, and-- if you don't want to--
CASEY
I forgot to lay down the rules again. But you know the rules, you know the rules, so stop bringing my family into it.
SEBASTIAN
Yeah, sorry. I've got one more question, I know you can't talk too much about the book, but the book is self-published from what I understand?
CASEY
Ah, at this point that what it's, it's still the strategy, yeah.
SEBASTIAN
Because a self-published book, Casey, in the real world, means jack shit. It's not anything. You're not going to--
CASEY
Okay, well, I appreciate your hate. So, move on to the next question.
SEBASTIAN
No, I'm not trying to hate, I'm trying to be realistic here. You have to-- well, how many Barnes and Noble sell self-published books? How do you get--
CASEY
Look, look, your opinion about the self-publishing is not going to stop me from self-publishing. But I appreciate your hate.
SEBASTIAN
All right, yeah, no problem.
CASEY
Okay, moving on.
SEBASTIAN
All right.
CASEY
Next person, EastCoastLurker. [silence] EastCostLurker, are you there? [silence] Okay, EastCoastLurker's not there.

[edit] CHJTS

(16:32)

CASEY
We'll go CHJTS, shark. Shark, are you there?
CHJTS
Well hello there, Casey! First let me say that, ah, you know, I went down to watch the fireworks down at the I-5 bridge there, and you know, I must have just missed you by a few minutes.
CASEY
Aw, no way! You must, you must have been on the same bridge. I was there with a few other people, some local people I know in that area...
CHJTS
Yeah, I went down there to watch-- I mean not watch you, but I must have just missed you. I must say that, I'm pretty heartbroken that I missed you. Um--
CASEY
Yeah, you should have sent me an email, I would've, I would've wanted to meet up with you. Of course, ah, you know, you keep promising to beat me up the next time you see me, so I don't know about that, but -- hey, I'll take my chances.
CHJTS
Well, you know. I don't know what kind of condition I am in now, you know, but my ribs are healing up pretty good, but, ah, you know...
CASEY
(laughs)
CHJTS
It would have been good to see how good you swim, but, ah...
CASEY
Yeah. Hey, that's a pretty tall bridge, would you say you can jump off of that thing? It's about, like, a hundred feet or so, or what?
CHJTS
Well, I think about a hundred and fifty-five feet is when a human being hits terminal velocity--
CASEY
Oh, okay.
CHJTS
--and the survival rate goes down to about ten percent from there. Now, the question I have is what-- well, to finish up the last caller, you know, I think what he was getting at, let me bottom line it here and I'm gonna have to say, um your wife. If somebody sends -- this'll be the only question I mention your family -- if somebody sends an email to galina@serin.us, is that an alias or is that email going to your wife?
CASEY
That email goes directly to my wife. I do not have an alias where I can receive her email. And so I am, I am not reading her email.
CHJTS
Okay. Now, the next question is -- I'm going to keep it kind of light the first time around, before I get into the big questions, because I see LossMit is on here, and Nigel is on here--
CASEY
Yeah, I see them.
CHJTS
--and I really kind of want to hear from them. My question, you know, first thing I'm going to do something a little light-hearted, because you know I kind of do that.
CASEY
Yeah.
CHJTS
You know, they just announced the 2014 olympics. Well, I've got an idea for some Casey Olympics. For the track and field events we're going to have: the hundred yard dodge the creditor dash; we're going to have the lender long jump; we're going to have the shotput under the bus; the four hundred meter murse hurdles; and the fifteen hundred meter pass the buck baton race. Now, for the water Olympics, we're going to gave synchronized timezone swimming; diving for deeds; and the four hundred meter manbag swim. Four hundred meters with a murse full of wet contracts. Now on top of that one--
CASEY
(laughs) I like that. What about the kangaroos?
CHJTS
Well, you know, I just wrote this up in the last five minutes. Takes a little bit of time to get the creative juice flowing, you know.
CASEY
Yeah, that's true.
CHJTS
Now the other thing I wanted to mention is, you know, since we're on Casey games, you know, we've got the Six Degrees of Casey Serin going, have you been reading that at all?
CASEY
I've seen it once or twice... what's the newest Six Degree?
CHJTS
Right now the voting's open for, I believe, Six Degrees of Casey Serin to Scooter Libby. Um...
CASEY
Oh, okay.
CHJTS
You know, we have the Casey Serin drinking game. Every, you know, during your talkcasts, every time you say "sweet" or a Caseyism or whatnot somebody takes a drink...
CASEY
Okay.
CHJTS
And then we have the first murst liverwurst game. I know you're aware of that. Um.. so the question I have--
CASEY
No, I wasn't aware of that last one.
CHJTS
Yeah, it's over on Rob's site, we have the first murst game and the rules are posted over at the CaseyPedia. Um, now, the next question I have -- and then I'll close up my, you know, time here until the next round -- is with the haterzcasts, you know, I invite you on all the time but you never come on. You know, so I have no problem with that, I can come to you. Now, I want to break down statistics of the hatercast for you. Okay. In the eight haterzcasts we've had, we've had two thousand eighty downloads, with one thousand and twelve for the last two episodes alone. There's been seven hundred and fifty-four live participants altogether, and in the last two episodes alone have been two hundred and sixty one live participants. Now, the thing I've, er, I've been, ah, having a little bit of a problem with is figuring out what to do with the haterzcast money. So, ah, you know: one of my ideas was to send it to your wife, um, you know--
CASEY
Yeah, that's good.
CHJTS
But, ah, she's got a lot of pride and she doesn't, she doesn't take handouts from strangers. That's why she's working two jobs and busting her ass to get CashCall taken care of.
CASEY
Uh huh.
CHJTS
So the next thing, you know, what I did earlier, I went over to Jamba Juice and I got some gift cards.
CASEY
Uh huh.
CHJTS
So what I'm going to do is, I'm gonna-- for the winners of the next Six, ah, Six Degrees of Casey Serin I'm going to send them a Jamba Juice gift card.
CASEY
Mmm-hmm.
CHJTS
So that doesn't-- so what do I do with the rest of the money, Casey? What do you think I should do with it? Should I send it to, ah, should I send it to Loss--
CASEY
That's a, that's a good question. My first take would be to send it to Galina, because, hey, that's a good, ah, good gesture. Um... what was your other idea?
CHJTS
Well, my other ideas are to to give it to a woman's abuse shelter, in your name; the other idea is to give it to Habitat for Humanity; and the other idea is to send the rest of it to LossMit to help offset his court costs. So, so what do you think out of those ones is the best one?
CASEY
I like the charities.
CHJTS
Okay. So that's pretty much all I have to say. I'll save my, I'll save the tough questions for the next time around.
CASEY
Sounds good, hey--
CHJTS
I just wanted to keep it kind of light a little bit, I didn't want to get too much into it.
CASEY
Yeah... yeah, I appreciate that, that's like the warmup, right, the warmup, okay.
CHJTS
It's warm.
CASEY
No, that's good. We've gotta add -- okay, we'll mute Shark -- we've gotta add something with the kangaroos to the Olympics. I mean, if you're talking creative that would be pretty funny. But, all right, let's, ah-- ha, and your other events were pretty funny too. Hey, I'm always the one to recognize creativity, you know that, you know that guys, right? All right, let's move onto, um, LostSite.

[edit] LostSite

(22:15)

CASEY
LostSite, are you there?
LOSTSITE
Hey, Casey.
Hey, how are you doing?
LOSTSITE
Ah, doing all right. Better than you. You seem to get yourself onto these things with a lot of abuse.
CASEY
Yeah.
LOSTSITE
I've got to admit, though, that shark guy there, he was was kind of comical. He made me--
CASEY
Yeah.
LOSTSITE
He made me laugh a little bit. I just can't believe they spend all this energy and time to come up with these things. But I guess you've gotta go do what you've gotta do, right? And I've got a question for you, Casey.
CASEY
Yeah, go ahead.
LOSTSITE
You said that you spent some time today at the courthouse over there in Sacramento. What exactly did you find out? Was the case filed? Do you officially have to go back? What did you find out? You don't have to go into the case details, 'cause like you said, you're not sure what you can say or not, but just the outside part of it.
CASEY
Sure. Well, I did go down to the courthouse, because I wanted to get the rest of the complaint. Right? And so then I can talk to my attorney about this whole thing. Then I go there and I find out there's nothing filed and I'm a little confused 'cause the thing that Mark sent me had a file number on there. But then we had, we talked by email, and he said it hasn't actually officially been filed and it's not ready to, for the public to view it, but apparently it's with one of the clerks, um, I guess in some kind of holding stage or something like that. So, I guess we're going to find out on Tuesday what happens to it, um, but that's what I found out.
LOSTSITE
"Holding stage." (laughs) I've--
CASEY
Yeah, I know, I really don't know what it means, I don't know what it means, all he said is it's not available to the public. And I checked their filing computers and I see nothing under my name for civil suits.
LOSTSITE
And, er, you spoke to somebody in the clerk, and he said there's nothing available?
CASEY
Yeah, yeah, I checked with the record department, and I say, hey, if my name's not on there, does that mean it hasn't been filed or what, and they say well, if it's not on there we can't really give you any records. So, I didn't know how to proceed from there. So I'm assuming-- I'll just go with what Mark was saying, he's saying that it's not officially filed yet. So I guess he just put it into the system, whatever that means.
LOSTSITE
(laughs) Well, I'll tell you, that's a new one on me, this whole thing is, it's a new one on me. I get involoved in a lot of case mitigations, I get sued a lot,--
CASEY
Yeah.
LOSTSITE
I sue a lot--
CASEY
Well, well, check this out. I already talked to, ah, I talked to ah, an attorney that I know and he said well, unless you get served, there's really nothing to deal with. We have nothing to work with, we have no paperwork to look at. Um, so at this point I'm just waiting for that to happen. And I was hoping to ex-speediadite, I was hoping to speed that up by going to the courthouse and finding this out, but I haven't found it out. And Mark was saying that ah, that, um, that the whole serving part, process hasn't happened yet, so... so I'm going to get back to him later on the phone, I didn't have a chance to respond to his email earlier, or get him on the phone to ask what that's all about. So we'll go from there. But again, I don't want to respond to anything that he's asking me to do until I, you know, clear it with my attorney. This is just what I know. So.
LOSTSITE
Right, of course. 'Cause everything that I know about the litigation process is you do have to get served with some type of summons and complaint. You shuld have about thirty days for your attorney to respond to the complaint, and do a cross-complaint if one is merited. And then it goes from there. So this whole thing about sending you emails and, you know, official documents through the email, I've never seen anything like this. And I just was wondering if California has some quacky law or something that no other state that I've been, ah, you know, dealt with that has that. So your pretty much answered that.
Um, so you know, not getting into any-- I know you don't want to get into any details, but, ah, you're in a pretty predicament right now with your housing situation. Kind of like anybody that bashed you on that is wrong. I mean, it happens, it's a shame, I hope you do come out of it okay. But do you have any long-term, or even short-term, plans on how to resolve this now?
CASEY
Yeah, um, one of the things I want to do really really soon here, this week, is I'm getting in contact with the lenders that have already liquidated my houses. Because the houses have been foreclosed on, but until they get sold then we really don't know how much I owe them. And so that's my goal. I think there is at least one or two that have already been sold. So I'm going to call them up, see how I can resolve the whole situation, and see what I can do to show good faith effort in mitigating their loss, and then that's all I can do. I can just tell them how much I'm making, and see what they want me to do. And we'll go from there. That's something that, ah, Mark was going to help me out with, but at this point since he turned on me after getting all this private information and using it against me, I just going to have to do it on my own.
LOSTSITE
Yeah, sometimes it's better off to do that. Um--
CASEY
Yeah, it'll be good. Because I'll learn the process myself. And I'm going to read up on internet about, um, negotiations, all that too, a little bit. But really at this point I just have to come to the lenders and say, hey look, I screwed up, you know, is there anything else I owe you guys, how much did you lose on me, and we'll just go from there.
LOSTSITE
That's good. Ah, now, Casey, that--
CASEY
I'm hoping to have, I'm hoping to have results from those phone calls later this week. I'll try to get recordings of my phone calls, and also any letters or any agreements that I receive from them. So I can show people that I'm not just sitting, you know, with my head stuck sand, I'm actually doing stuff. So...
LOSTSITE
Well that's good. I'm sure you'll still get criticized anyway, that's just the way human nature is.
CASEY
Oh yeah, anything I do will get criticized, that's just expected.
LOSTSITE
Now I do have another question for you, Casey, in one of your postings there, most recent one -- or one of the more recent ones I should say, I don't remember which one it was -- one of the things that kind of struck me as funny was you said way before that you had a nondisclosure with your publisher. But the most recent one said that you released your contract to Mark. And I'm just wondering what was your thinking behind that?
CASEY
Sure, it's really simple. I trusted both Duane and Mark as my advisers at one point. And I talked with my publisher and I asked him, would you give me permission to talk with a few people I trust to make sure we can look this over contract and this is a good contract? And he was okay with me doing that. Little did I know that these trusted quote-unquote advisers were going to turn against me and use the information against me. So that's what's happened there.
LOSTSITE
Wow. Well--
CASEY
And by the way, I didn't-- I didn't share the contract with Duane, I just spoke with Duane briefly about what I was going to do with the publisher. The only reason I sent the contract or the agreement to Mark was, I was showing him a token of my trust, and showing him that I was still willing to, you know, work with him one way or another. But the stuff he was asking from my side was so unreasonable and so demanding that I just wasn't willing to go forward with that. But still i told him specifically not to share it with anybody, and he promised to do that. At least that's what I remember. And I need to go back and see if I have a recording of that phone call, I hope I do. But-- and here he is, you know, plastering all over the internet. So.
LOSTSITE
Yeah, it sounds like--
CASEY
Again, again, they were in an adviser position with me at the beginning. It's very clear, you see it from my blogs, you see it from everything what's going, what's going on, they told me they were going to help me out. And of course I was opening up to them, because I wanted to have some cross-checking going on between all these deals I had going on, and I get more than one head on this thing. But look what happens now.
LOSTSITE
Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, the thing is Casey, and this I hope this is a lesson for you to learn, is when you put people into that circle, you have to at least know them for a little bit before you put them into that circle. Or, check with the references out and cross-check them to make sure they are,ah, you know, upstanding people. Obviously like with this whole thing with Mark here, you know, it's just a bad scenario all the way around. This is somebody that claims he helps people, and he turns around and sues you, and then plasters stuff all over the place. Duane was the same situation. I mean, this is not good.
CASEY
Yeah, exactly. (mumbles) It's just unfortunate.
LOSTSITE
It's very unfortunate. So anyway, I'm going to wish you luck with, ah, hopefully you're going to get out of this, and I'll let you go to the next caller. I'll be hanging around, and if it comes back around I'll have some more questions for you.
CASEY
Sounds good. Well thank a lot for chiming in LostSite.

[edit] Nigel Swaby

(30:33)

CASEY
OK, we're going to move on to Nigel Swaby. Go ahead, Nigel.
NIGEL
Hey Casey, it's Nigel.
CASEY
What's goin' on, man? Long time no talk!
NIGEL
It has been. I only have one question for you, concerning your latest post. I know this deals with your family but did you not see this coming? I mean, why did you think that you could leave on an hour's notice halfway round the world for close to a month and expect everything to be OK when you got back?
CASEY
Honestly i didn't see it coming, because again even with the short notice we still left on at least what I thought was good terms, but then all of a sudden things changed as soon as I got to Australia. And I don't know if people have been talking to my family members or not or what's going on but the whole thing seems really really strange. This has never happened before. And I've left before on business trips, so this isn't new.
NIGEL
You've left for three weeks at a time with an hour's notice?
CASEY
Well, not with this sort of notice, but I've gone before to extended business trips, so yeah.
NIGEL
And was that when you were in debt before too?
CASEY
Yeah. This was last year. It wasn't as bad, I wasn't facing foreclosure, but it was a trip I needed to go on, look at all my deals and stuff like that. It was like a month, I was gone for about a month.
NIGEL
OK, and there was no problem then?
CASEY
No problem then, so I assumed it would be similar.
NIGEL
Again, I mean.. I told you, I e-mailed you, people left comments to you that this was a huge problem, and you still didn't do anything about it. I'm just wondering why (brief sound dropout). She was talking to Duane, she was talking to Rob... how did you not see this coming?
CASEY
Well that right there I didn't know about. I did not know there was all this breach of information going on. And it was really really strange because I thought the whole goal was to keep everybody private and not release it online and now there's all this leakage going on. I mean, I'm not upsetting anybody particularly, except for of course Duane and some of the other people who are, you know, making the whole thing worse. But yeah, now I just have to deal with this whole mess, it's just crazy.
NIGEL
Well, quite frankly, Casey, you're the only one that's making things worse. Had you not left, none of this would be happening.
CASEY
Well, I'm not sure if leaving was, like, you know, that huge of a deal compared to what was already happening before. It was just another thing.
NIGEL
It was a huge deal.
CASEY
And I could have gone anywhere, I could have gone to another part of the country. Australia just happened to be where a supporter offered a place to stay so I could focus and get some work done.
NIGEL
I also offered you a place to stay and you didn't do it...
CASEY
(interrupting) Yeah, I appreciate that, but you know what? With you, the thing is, there's been some history too and I just said no.
NIGEL
Shut up for a second. Listen to me. Leaving was a huge deal. Do you understand that? (pause) Are you there?
CASEY
Yeah, in which way?
NIGEL
Leaving was a huge deal for several reasons. One, now you're a flight risk, should law enforcement come after you for anything. And I told you that. And secondly, you left your wife in the lurch (sound dropout). And third, people who wanted to help you, like myself, were not going to do it any more. I mean, it's... you have shown your true colors, and I don't know whether it's because of the pressure, but the fact is you don't listen to anybody, and you are your own worst enemy.
CASEY
(pause) OK.
NIGEL
That's all I have, Casey.
CASEY
Well, again, I'm always open to listening to what people say, so I appreciate you sharing. The whole flight risk, I actually didn't think about that before, but I was already... Ialready had all my plans lined up. The thing is, I was always in communication with where I was. Now at first I was going to keep the whole thing a secret, but once they leaked out I was pretty much saying where I'm at, so it's not as though I'm hiding from anybody.
NIGEL
You were trying to hide. You were pissed when that got released!
CASEY
Yeah, because I wanted to keep it a secret because people would misunderstand it, obviously.
NIGEL
Hiding!
CASEY
But then once it was already out then I might as well just keep talking. So it wasn't like I was... you know, not telling people what was going on at that point. At first I didn't really release the city I was in because the host I was with, he didn't want that...
NIGEL
You got caught!
CASEY
What was that?
NIGEL
Your intent was to run away, but you got caught! That's the only reason you...
CASEY
(interrupting) I wasn't... are you serious? Is that what you think, Nigel, you think I was running away? You mean, like from the law or something, or what?
NIGEL
You were running away from your problems, you were running away from your problems at home, you were running away from...
CASEY
That's not true. Well, I mean, if that's how you see it, again, that's why I didn't wanna share it, because that's how people would end up interpreting it.
NIGEL
You know...
CASEY
Did you realize going on that trip allowed me to make a lot more money so now I'm in a lot better position to negotiate with the lenders, send money home and to be in a position to do stuff. Whereas before I was, like, broke.
NIGEL
Money that you sent home? How much did your wife actually get?
CASEY
You know what? People completely exaggerate that whole thing. I have like a thousand bucks, plus 300 dollars. There was two separate deposits from my PayPal account and they take several business days to hit. And so during the last podcast I said I'd send money home. Well, it hadn't actually hit the account yet, it was in the process, so that's why people were up in arms saying "Oh, this guy didn't send money home". I did. People don't realize what's going on and they're just quick to assume.
NIGEL
Three hundred dollars.
CASEY
Three hundred dollars, plus another deposit of a thousand. So $1300 was deposited in the account. Some of it ended up going to some of the expenses I made, but there was at least a thousand bucks ready to go towards anything that needed to be go towards.
NIGEL
How much did she net?
CASEY
What was that?
NIGEL
How much did she net? Take out your expenses. How much did she get?
CASEY
You know what? Again, I don't wanna talk about my family, but check this out - I offered it, and it wasn't accepted, so all I can do is offer. I can't force anybody to take it. All right?
NIGEL
So let me get this right. You were gone for three weeks, and you were expected to provide a thousand dollars a week. So in three weeks...
CASEY
(talking over him) Well, nobody was expecting nothing, but I was offering.
NIGEL
(middle part of the sentence drowned out by Casey) ...which wouldn't even cover rent. It would barely cover food, certainly wouldn't cover any utilities.
CASEY
Nigel, what's the point of fighting over dollars right now? I have like over $2500 in my PayPal account. I have a thousand bucks in my personal account. All of that is available to go towards anything that my family member wants it to go towards, within reason. It's there, and it's available. And the thing is, people are getting their freakin' noses into business that they shouldn't be into, meaning my marriage. And people are stepping over the line, including yourself, including Duane, including Mark. Why are people playing marriage counselor? That's what I want to know.
NIGEL
(first part drowned out by Casey) ...for your wife, so nobody's butting in. If you want to get mad at somebody, get mad at her. But I think it's been good...
CASEY
(interrupting) Yeah, but people should have a little bit more sense than to butt into people's marriage. That's all I'm trying to say.
NIGEL
(pause, possible sound dropout) I think it's a good thing that your wife gave that information, and I'm glad that Duane and Rob have provided that, so that people, so your supporters can see exactly what...
CASEY
Well OK, but look at it another way. Have you ever had a close friend who was having a relationship issue? There's always two sides, and no matter what you do you end up picking sides. And now this whole thing is on the internet, and no wonder this has become such a huge drama. You don't want to get in the middle of two people fighting in their relationship because it's never pretty. You've got to let them just do it on their own. And people are just getting into business they shouldn't be into.
NIGEL
You know, if my friend was cheating on his wife or deserting his wife or girlfriend, I wouldn't be too happy with him, just like I'm not very happy with you.
CASEY
Yeah, but are you gonna go on the internet and talk about it?
NIGEL
I wouldn't normally, but in this case your life is an open blog, and that's the way it is. You did that.
CASEY
OK, but because you do it somewhere does not mean that people need to get in there and do the same thing and get in the middle of all this.
NIGEL
You're the one that did it.
CASEY
What did I do?
NIGEL
You're the one that started the blog, you're the one that left for Australia...
CASEY
The whole marriage part was a very very small part of the blog, and when I realized I was getting in the middle of it I removed all of it. Not right away, and I should have done it faster - that's my fault - but I ended up listening and I realized how important it was and so I took everything down. My entire blog right now has no mention of anything marriage-related. If there is, let me know and I'll take it down: I must have missed it.
NIGEL
The cat was let out of the bag as soon as you started the blog.
CASEY
That does not excuse people getting into my marriage.
NIGEL
Your wife let them into your marriage, which tells me something...
CASEY
That does not excuse people getting into it too.
NIGEL
... that you are completely out of control, Casey.
CASEY
All right, that's fine. Nigel, thanks for all your help in the past. Do you have anything else?
NIGEL
That's all I have. Thanks for talking.
CASEY
All right. That was Nigel.
Moving on. SixFigureW2Looser... so, okay, you spewed your venom last time, W2Looser, what else have you got to say to me? [silence] You there? SixFigureW2Looser? Okay, I'm moving on. Um... okay, Voice. What's going on, Voice? [silence] Check check, one two, Voice is not on. Listening in, probably. WilliamGA, WilliamGA, what's going on? [silence] WilliamGA, no talking. We'll catch you next time. Okay, RoFuun, R-O-F-U-U-N, are you there? [silence] Not there. Okay, Eunice. Eunice, are you there? [silence] Man, all these people called in, they don't want to talk, that's fine.

[edit] AGSCodPSR

(41:19)

CASEY
A-G-S-Cod-P-S-R, what is that? Check check?
AGSCODPSR
Ah, that's here Casey.
CASEY
Okay.
AGSCODPSR
How are you doing?
CASEY
Hi, well, I'm doing good. What's going on?
AGSCODPSR
I've been following along for quite a while. Listen, I just want to ask a question. Your blog tells an interesting story and, as you say repeatedly, people just want to see the train wreck. And I'd really like to see you succeed, but, ah... I'd really like to see a better plan here. You sort of only release a little glimpse here and there. Um.. so what are the plans? And how are you going to, ah, to lay this out in a better way forward of this point?
CASEY
Well, here's what I can improve on, is, um, do a lot more communicating with my lenders to show people I'm not ignoring everybody. But really what I've been focused on is producing income, and an ability to pay, before I even go approach them. How am I going to go to them if I have no way to pay? So that's been the whole thing about monetizing the blog. This book sale should bring in some income, hopefully. I have other things in the works to make some money. So that's the goal.
AGSCODPSR
Right. Well, and, and, I guess one of the questions that's been asked a bunch of times, and I'm not seeing anything on it, is the financial spreadsheet that you put out there. Why is that not kept up to date?
CASEY
Yeah.
AGSCODPSR
It seems that would be the best measure for anyone wanting to-- even if they're just watching for the train wreck, which is, you know, like--
CASEY
Yeah, I know.
AGSCODPSR
I'd like to see you succeed, but--
CASEY
Yeah, that's good.
AGSCODPSR
I have no yardstick, I have no measure.
CASEY
Yeah, there's no way to see where I'm at, is that what you're saying?
AGSCODPSR
Right, exactly.
CASEY
Yeah, yeah, no, thanks for that feedback. I pulled it down temporarily because I need to update all of it. So this week is my goal, and yeah, you know, you guys can hold me accountable on this blog that by the end of this week I'll have an updated spreadsheet. And that's what I'm going to do, I'm going to call these lenders up, see what's going on.
AGSCODPSR
Right, well best of luck to you. I'm going to send you an email out in a bit with some thoughts. But, ah, like I said, I hope you make it.
CASEY
Sounds good. Appreciate it.
All right, okay, going on to XTCTLTalk. Some kind of long username. Mr. XTalk, are you there? XTCPLTalk? [silence] No, he's not, he was just listening.

[edit] Duane LeGate

(43:31)

CASEY
All right, Itsmecasey. Shoot, go ahead.
DUANE
Casey...
CASEY
Hey, what's goin' on, Duane?
DUANE
Hey look...
CASEY
(interrupting) Hey, Duane, just before you start, you know the rules: don't get into too much personal stuff, all right? And if you have a question, just ask me ahead of time and then we'll see if I'm gonna be able to answer it. I really don't wanna be mean or cut you off or anything, I just want to respect everybody, that's all.
DUANE
OK... you wanna respect your wife, right?
CASEY
Exactly.
DUANE
OK, she called me twenty minutes before the talkcast...
CASEY
OK...
DUANE
...bawling crying. Bawling crying. She does not want you around. Do not go to Yulia's house this weekend, period.
CASEY
(pause, possibly muted)
DUANE
She comes to me because, Casey, you won't listen, you won't change and everything else. I'm not getting involved with your marriage. I'm listening...
CASEY
Yeah, you are. You're like the in-between person. Who appointed you to be a marriage counselor, Duane. Seriously, tell me that.
DUANE
OK. I didn't call Galina. She called me.
CASEY
Still, you should have the sense not to get in the middle of this mess and bring the whole thing out to the internet.
DUANE
Here's the thing you don't understand, Casey...
CASEY
How does that make it OK?
DUANE
Hey, Casey. I'm not bringing it to the internet. Your family is.
CASEY
(talking over the last bit) Yeah, I am, right. OK, yeah, I'm bringing it to the internet, my family's bringing it to the internet...
DUANE
Not you. Not you. Your family.
CASEY
You should have the sense not to... you should have the sense, even if the family's coming to you, you should have the sense not to go ahead and post it. Because some people are under certain emotional conditions, and it's not good to just bring garbage out to the internet. How does that make it any better? Seriously, tell me. How do you improve the situation by sharing all this crap?
DUANE
Casey, your family wants you stopped. What part of that do you not realize?
CASEY
How is this helping me? How is this helping the whole situation by you sharing all this intimate stuff that should not be on the internet?
DUANE
And here's the thing. You keep calling a lie...
CASEY
You're not answering my question, Duane - how is this helping us, by you butting in the middle of this?
DUANE
Hey Casey, sometimes people don't need help, they just need to go their own way. I know exactly... you know what you told Nigel a minute ago, about your other trip? I know exactly where you went, why you did and what happened there. OK? You want me to expose it? Do you want me to expose everything that I know?
CASEY
Duane, now you're threatening me to expose even more dirt. Again, you have not answered my question -- how is you exposing all this dirt helping the whole situation? You're making it worse. Before you talk about tough love, I don't see any tough love any more. I don't see anything going on.
DUANE
I will tell you this...
CASEY
Hey, hey, hold on, hold on, wait, everybody hold on. Somebody just showed up here. (inaudible background conversation) Hey, somebody just showed up right here at Capitol Garage in downtown, somebody heard me on... He's not a supporter, he's not much of a hater, but this is the first time it's ever happened - somebody showed up in person in the middle of a talkcast. So we have a supporter here -- well, no, he says he's neutral, so this is pretty cool. But anyway, moving on... (pause) Duane, are you there?
DUANE
Yeah. Are you asking me a question?
CASEY
Yeah, yeah, I was just... it was an interruption - somebody showed up to listen in in person, so that's pretty cool. Continue.
DUANE
That is pretty cool, I guess. Here's the thing that everybody out there needs to hear. You wrote Galina today to stop leaking -- or it might have been yesterday -- and Galina's response back to you is she's not leaking, she's telling the truth. So basically all I'm doing is being a conduit for the truth out there, which you can't...
CASEY
(interrupting) All right, why... who appointed you to be the conduit? And you haven't answered to me how you're helping.
DUANE
Casey, I'm helping because people besides you need the truth out there. You have thrown everybody under your bus, your mother, your father...
CASEY
What you're doing is turning people against me. You know that in any marriage conflict or any relationship conflict there are always two sides. And when there's people trying to get into the middle of it...
DUANE
It's my fault, it's my fault. Casey, it's my fault. It's my fault that you're a prick. It's my fault that you left for five weeks. It's my fault that you just left... (sudden silence)
CASEY
All right, I really don't think I should have Duane on any more. Basically the guy is... even if my family's asking to share this information online, people should have the sense not the bring all this crap on the internet. And how is that helping? In any marriage conflict there's always both sides, and if people are hearing one side that's highly distorted and put a spin on, let's face it: everybody who is hearing the other side of the whole equation is a hater, more or less, they're set against me. So of course they're going to present all this stuff in the negative light. And then they're just trying to get anybody who's neutral, anybody who's a supporter, against me. This is childish! People are getting in the middle of something who really should not be. And especially on the internet. Let us deal with our own issues, and don't get in the middle. So Duane, no more being on a podcast, and if you try to get in under a different name, I'm just gonna have to mute you.

[edit] Pink Lips

(49:13)

CASEY
So moving onto Pink Lips... Pink Lips, you there?
PINK LIPS
Hey Casey, how are you?
CASEY
I'm doing all right.
PINK LIPS
Yeah. Probably not great. Um... just a quick note. I don't know if you know this, and I know you're fairly young, I'm probably, what eight years older than you, not much, but... Anyway, I believe, and from what I've read on the haterz sites, that Duane does not want you to work your marriage out and he is after your wife. Just an FYI and that is all I'm going to say about it. That he has some sort of romantic, or some sort of interest in her, other than just helping her. So I don't know if you see that, but I see it--
CASEY
I hope-- I hope that, I really hope it's not that far, but you know what, at this point I would not be at all surprised. I mean, the guy has been really rude here.
PINK LIPS
Well, I'm a female, and I can see it. I mean, you know, and, I-- I've read some of the posts that he's made and he, he's just made a comment a couple of seconds ago about, I really hope you don't work it out. You know. And she's just, she's done with you, and--
CASEY
Oh really?
PINK LIPS
Yeah. And this is--
CASEY
And here's from a guy, here's from a guy who says he wants the best for me, he's doing it all for tough love, and it makes no sense for how you're going to do tough love by sharing people's personal info, but not right their privacy--
PINK LIPS
Well, okay, see Casey, He's way too interested in Galin-- what's going on with you and your wife.
CASEY
Well yeah.
PINK LIPS
There's something more to it. There is something more to it other than the fact that he's trying to help you. Okay.
CASEY
Yeah, I really hope there's not, but again I wouldn't be surprised. It's just-- the guy has been really weird.
PINK LIPS
And I bet you, if you found out that they guy is offering her assistance, money, I bet you, I would bet you money on it. And I just wanted to kind of, maybe, bring that up to you so you could do with it what you will.

(51:03)

But anyway, I also want to let you know that I live in Colorado on sixty-five acres, I've got horses, if you ever want to come and visit you're more than welcome, I've got a five thousand square foot foot home, it's me and my dog. So, if you ever need--
CASEY
Well I appreciate that, very much.
PINK LIPS
If you ever need a place to get away, or... you know.
CASEY
By the way, could you do me a favor and shoot me an email? Because I don't see your email address here on this interface. So, um...
PINK LIPS
Okay, it'll be-- I'll just put SnapperDoo in the subject line, okay?
CASEY
Yeah, that sounds good.
PINK LIPS
So that you'll know that, that you'll know it's me. But keep your head up and--

(51:35)

CASEY
Now what, what would you say, what's your perspective, ah, I don't know if you've ever been in the middle of a, like a relationship crisis or a marriage crisis, but what would you say, um, would be the best course of action to prevent people from getting in the middle of this whole thing? Because really it should be between me, her, and the marriage counselor. Not all these internet weirdos. You know what I'm saying? What would be a good course of action?
PINK LIPS
Well, exactly. And I don't-- I don't know how you can stop it because she's obviously talking to these people, and I'm sure-- I've had guys do it to me, you know. Get away from your boyfriend, you know, in the past, because he's this this and this and I can do this for you, and, you know, I'll support you. You know? So, I just feel there's really something more to it. I don't know how to stop it if she's talking to them. I don't know how you can do it now.
CASEY
Yeah...
PINK LIPS
I don't know how you can get them out of it.
CASEY
You think--
PINK LIPS
Unless you can get her to talk to you and just... you know, get her privately and, and, and talk with her.
CASEY
Yeah, I'm g--
PINK LIPS
And say hey, look, we don't know these people. We don't know what their motives are. You know?
CASEY
Yeah. You know what, you know what I fear though? And I don't have a way to verify this, because the communication is not there right now, unfortunately. But I fear that all these people are telling her all this crap that is meant to basically set her against me. And I mean look at-- I listened to the hater podcast, the last one, where Annie was talking about how she should put these, like, postcards all over the house with all these quote-unquote lies I've been telling her. I mean, if you're talking about setting somebody against the marriage and keeping it together, I mean what is all that about? People obviously want it to break apart.
PINK LIPS
Well, and that's also assuming that--
CASEY
Not the (exhales, possible audio dropout) financial--
PINK LIPS
You know, they're also assuming they know what's best for you and your wife. And they're not in the relationship, they haven't been in the relationship, they're judging you by what's happened -- that is your wife's decision alone. And, you know, them encouraging-- you know, if you guys got back together, whatever, and it fell apart, it would fall apart naturally. If it's, if it goes on and you get help and you stay married, well then that's what's supposed to happen. But all these outside interferences and logical judgments on a marriage that they know nothing about is ridiculous.
CASEY
Yeah.
PINK LIPS
It's ridiculous.
CASEY
Yeah, exactly.
PINK LIPS
So--
CASEY
That's what it is. They only see part of it and they're getting in the middle of it. Well, what's going on is I think people have been happy watching the train wreck because a lot of people I think are sadistic by nature, and they see this guy screw up financially. Now they want to see his marriage go down the drain. Where I'm trying to make the whole thing work. Even though a lot of people don't agree with my moves, it does not mean that they should try to destroy the whole thing.
PINK LIPS
And not only do they--
CASEY
And so it's just crazy that people go that far.
PINK LIPS
Yeah. And not only do they not want your marriage to survive, I feel that they're also doing some manipulative things such as offering her support, attorneys, money, which I've seen on the hater blogs. Go back and read some of it, you know. If you leave him, we'll put up donations, you know, sell stuff on EBay, we'll buy it so that you can get away from him -- how do they know that she wants to get away from you? I mean, that's assuming a lot. You know?
CASEY
Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
PINK LIPS
And it's just, you know, it's unfortunate, because-- do they stop and think that these are two real people, you're not just Internet names. These are people's lives here.
CASEY
Yeah.
PINK LIPS
So, I, I don't know what you can do.
CASEY
Well yeah.
PINK LIPS
But if your wife is listening, I encourage her to talk with you rather than just following what's being said to her.
CASEY
Yeah. Yeah, I mean shoot, I'm willing to do whatever I've got to do. I mean, I'm even willing to really put the blog down for good, if that is the best course of action. It's just at this point I don't think it is, because I need to at least provide some kind of money. And so all these losers telling me, oh, you can always just get a job, don't realize that it's not that simple for one, and two I have prior commitments and contracts that I have to honor. And so I've just been trying to, ah, you know, make it a win-win for everybody involved, and I believe it's a, it's a very much definite possibility, if people stop trying to sabotage everything.
PINK LIPS
Well, and why are, why are, why are you not--
CASEY
(talking over her) So, I mean, why don't people root for a comeback story? You know?
PINK LIPS
Why are you not allowed to have a blog and make money off of it? I don't understand it. What is-- you know, it takes work, and if you dedicated more work to it, I mean-- it is in essence a job. It doesn't run itself, obviously. So I don't know, I think there is a lot of jealousy--
CASEY
Yeah. Yeah. I'm a full-time blogger, that's what it is, I'm a professional blogger just like that guy I was meeting with in Australia, ah, that's what he teaches, people how to become professional bloggers. And just so that I have a story where I'm sharing honestly the mistakes I've made, doesn't mean that I'm some kind of criminal profiting from my crime. That's just way too big of a stretch in my opinion.
PINK LIPS
Right, and maybe that's what you should look into, is teaching people. Okay, here's how you put up a website, here's how you get more traffic, you know, that could be like an offshoot of all of this. It doesn't have to be as negative as everyone's making it out to be. But they are so obsessed with you, and they're just out of control, and I don't reali-- I don't think they realize the problems that, that, that they're causing. They all know what's best for you. And they don't even know you.
CASEY
Yeah, definitely.
PINK LIPS
Everybody's an individual. And they're so quick to judge. I would like to look in their closets at some of their skeletons. I don't think the things you've done have been perfect, or you're perfect, by any means, but... you know. Look in your own back yard before you start sweeping up other peoples'. And they're just obsessed--
CASEY
Yeah.
PINK LIPS
And that Duane, I just do not trust him and I know exactly what he's doing. So, you know, I--
CASEY
Yeah, I'm not going to have him on any more.
PINK LIPS
No, don't even--
CASEY
I'm just going to have to cut him off.
PINK LIPS
Don't even give him the energy. But anyway I'll shoot you an email and I wish you the best of luck. And I hope that your wife takes into account that these people are strangers.
CASEY
Yeah. Sounds good. Well thanks a lot Pink Lips.
PINK LIPS
All right, take care. Bye bye.
CASEY
Bye. Appreciate it. All right, that was Pink Lips.

[edit] LossMitPro (Mark Villaseñor)

(57:27)

CASEY
Moving on to... all right, OK, the next one in the queue here is LossMitPro. I'm not sure if I want to let him on. I don't want it to be another situation like it was with Duane, but hey, I'm always one to give people a chance, so let's go for it. LossMitPro, are you there?
LOSSMITPRO
I'm here, Casey.
CASEY
What's going on?
LOSSMITPRO
Just listening to your rambling bullshit.
CASEY
Oh, OK. So do you have a question or comment, and are you going to keep it, you know, reasonable?
LOSSMITPRO
Casey, I've always been reasonable with you. Haven't I?
CASEY
I'm not gonna answer that.
LOSSMITPRO
Why not, Casey?
CASEY
You know my position on that.
LOSSMITPRO
It's a yes or no question. It's very simple. It's yes or no.
CASEY
You have not been reasonable. You have not been reasonable.
LOSSMITPRO
OK, well thank you for answering. But I would like to make one comment. I take issue with you telling the world that I've been meddling in your affairs on a marital basis when that is completely and utterly a lie. And I can prove that, Casey. And I intend to.
CASEY
OK. (pause) So anyway, moving on from that, because we're just gonna continue arguing over it and I don't wanna argue. Let's talk about something...
LOSSMITPRO
Casey, I'm not arguing with you. I'm not here to antagonize you.
CASEY
OK, I can start arguing with you right now because I disagree with you saying that you're not interfering with the marriage, because that's what you're doing.
LOSSMITPRO
How so, Casey? You know, I have an e-mail that I sent on a professional basis to Galina who asked me to help her on a professional basis. It's well documented. I terminated my involvement with your wife on the 17th of last month. I haven't had contact with her since. So I don't see where you're getting off telling people that I'm interfering in your marriage.
CASEY
(interrupting) Why did you terminate the contact with her?
LOSSMITPRO
Casey, you knew about this when we spoke when you were in Australia. So I can only conclude...
CASEY
Well yeah, but I figured you might wanna share some of that. Because there's definitely more back story to what you're saying, so I figure you might want to share some of that.
LOSSMITPRO
Really? How much back story can there be, pal? It's quite simple. It's pretty effective. I terminated my professional relationship with your wife on the 17th of last month, and I have not had contact with her since. You knew of these events, yet you continue to tell people that I'm meddling in your marriage. It's just bizarre, and that's just an observation, not a threat.
CASEY
Well, the reason I'm saying that is for that reason: it wasn't as simple as you just terminating. There was definitely more to it than that. But that's fine: you don't wanna share...
LOSSMITPRO
Really? How so, Casey? Please help me understand.
CASEY
I'm not sure if I'm ready to share that yet. But basically, she told you...
LOSSMITPRO
Really? You're not ready to share the truth, and yet you're willing to disparage my name all over the internet? But you're not willing to admit...
CASEY
(interrupting) I'm just telling how it is. Here's the course of events, for everybody to listen. Here you come along, gain my trust, saying you're going to help me. Next thing I know, you're suing me. How does that make it all right?
LOSSMITPRO
Well, I'm not going to get into the case parameters yet, Casey, because that's inappropriate. I'm asking... I'm talking about your accusations that I'm meddling in your marriage.
CASEY
Well, I'll answer it.
LOSSMITPRO
OK, I'm glad to hear you say that.
CASEY
I'll answer if you want to give me a shot.
LOSSMITPRO
How many times have I told you that the issues that we've discussed financially are between you and your wife, and how many times have I said when I was working with you that that's up to you two to work out. Everything I've done, Casey, my entire course of conduct has been to respect your marriage. It pisses me off to no end that you tell people you disparage my good name by saying I'm meddling in your marriage and yet you don't want to address the issue. It's cut and dry. I had no contact...
CASEY
That's what the next post is going to be about.
LOSSMITPRO
...no personal contact with your wife since the 17th of last month, and that was via e-mail. You were advised of that when you were in Australia fucking around trying to set up a shelter corporation. But we won't get into that now. Bottom line is...
CASEY
A what corporation?
LOSSMITPRO
...keep it up, Casey, keep it up with this bullshit of telling people that I'm in love with your wife and that I'm doing things with your wife when it's not true.
CASEY
I never said that. I never said that. I never said that.
LOSSMITPRO
OK, OK.
CASEY
All I'm saying is...
LOSSMITPRO
I'm going to compel you to address those issues in a very compelling way.
CASEY
Well yeah, I was going to have that next post all about this. I just didn't post it because I was too busy today.
LOSSMITPRO
Oh. Good for you.
CASEY
But that's fine. Really, I don't wanna do that. And I sent you an e-mail today saying I really don't wanna continue having like a fight and basically throwing dirt around on the internet. I really don't. But what else am I gonna do at this point? You know, I have no other ways to... I have to show people that you're really doing something very very unreasonable and frivolous in my opinion. And you won't agree with it, the Haterz™ don't agree with it, so I have to show, defend my side of it. And you want us to bring it public.
LOSSMITPRO
Casey, I didn't bring anything public. Now, first and foremost...
CASEY
Sure you did.
LOSSMITPRO
The way to defend yourself...
CASEY
You went on the last podcast...
LOSSMITPRO
Casey, listen to me. The way to defend yourself...
CASEY
I have to defend myself both on the internet and in a courtroom. I mean, that's what I have to do at this point. Because you also are attacking me both in a courtroom and on the internet. You were attacking me when we first started working together. You were playing both sides. Everybody in the hater blogs knows this. You were on the hater blogs long before, swimming around, criticizing me, but not too far, and then making me play along as if I'm asking you to come back and work with me...
LOSSMITPRO
That is a complete and utter lie. That is a complete and utter lie. Casey, you are getting yourself...
CASEY
OK, hopefully some of the Haterz™ will back me up on this, because you were playing both sides and, you know...
LOSSMITPRO
Listen to me. Listen to me. If you're calling taking an objective, balanced viewpoint so that your detractors would know that I was trying to find the middle ground so that they would back off and give you the benefit of the doubt, knowing that I was involved, knowing that I had a particular strategic plan set up, my contention was that they would back off, and had you followed that plan, had you continued, had you not run off to Australia to do whatever specious business you were doing over there, you would have seen that plan materialize. But no, Casey Serin knows everything about everything. Casey Serin can't be told what to do. Casey Serin knows what the real deal is, even though he gets people that have been in the fucking business twenty years to advise him. So don't give me that crap, Casey, that I was playing both sides against the middle. You wanna see me hot, pal, you wanna see me really go the guns on you? Believe me, you little shit-for-brains, you've got a think coming, if you wanna keep this up. You wanna keep it up, Casey, because I got news, I got goddamn news for you. You got a problem. You got a real big problem. Because I'm going to go for your fucking throat if you keep it up. Do you understand? Do I make myself clear? Yes or no.
CASEY
OK, well I'll go ahead and mute this guy for now, for obvious reasons. Another Duane, basically, losing his temper on me. So, did that sound like a guy who wants the best for me? No. Did that sound like a guy who really wanted to help me initially? It does not. Sometimes you just have to let people play out a little bit and see what their true colors are.
Seriously, the guy takes us out to a nice dinner, Galina and I, initially when we first met, and talks about how he doesn't want to take advantage of me, he's seen how people have done that before, and goes above and beyond even reasonable just to try to convince me of that. And I wasn't doubting him at first, you know, I thought "Hey, that's fine", but he keeps saying "don't worry, Casey, I'm just trying to help you out". And so I was a little bit curious why he had to say so much about that initially. And now I know why.
And I'm sure there was some good intentions at first, but I really think, Mark, you're letting pride get into the middle of all this. Because seriously, out of pride you're trying to tell me how to live my life. You have no good grounds to try to sue me over any of this. No grounds at all. And I've run it by a few people who know what they're talking about, and they agree with me, and a lot of other... even Haterz™ agree with me. So the only reason you're doing this is because there's a little bit of pride, you feel like you're the internet tough guy and you're gonna show this guy who's the boss and you're going round telling people you've never lost a lawsuit and you're the Agent of the Court, this and that.
Look, it doesn't have to be this way. Why did you even have to bring this whole thing out here? To try to humiliate me publicly? To try to get all my loan documents in court, or whatever else you're trying to do? But really what it comes down to is this. You want me to address what really is behind this. You were not happy with the fact that I chose to bring the blog back up because of the agreement with the publisher. And I wanted to honor that because that was the prior agreement. And so you just had a personal issue with me breaking the initial contract where I was supposed to bring the blog back down. And then I ended up turning it around and bringing the blog back on, in order to keep my original agreement going, and I removed everything from the blog that was violating my agreement with my wife and all that stuff. I've done what I can for my side.
Again, personal issues getting into the middle of our marriage, you just weren't happy with the way I did it. Who appointed you our marriage counselor? Who appointed you our parents? Why did you call my brother Steve when we were going back home from Portland and ask him stuff? Why did you do that? These people are getting in the middle of my life. They're trying to turn my own family members against me. Duane did the same thing. Duane called my brother Steve - apparently they thought he was a hater, so they call him up and say "Hey, Steve, are you gonna be in the circle of ch..." or whatever they call it, some kind of circle they have going. And so these guys are trying to turn my own family members against me! How is that OK?
And Mark has gone into the legal, into the courts to try to fight this battle, which is really just a personal disagreement. I didn't wanna bring any of this crap up. I removed your stuff from the blog as soon as you asked me to do that, when you realized you don't wanna work with me any more. That's fine - I didn't wanna continue our relationship if you didn't like it the way it was going. Same with Duane. Things didn't work out, so what? Let it go. Why do you have to come around and try to force all this stuff as if you're some kind of parent and I'm some kind of misbehaving child? I keep using that analogy because there's no better way to show it. Both of these guys have no grounds for messing in my life and trying to turn my own family members against me.
That's all I'm gonna say on that, I don't wanna ramble on too much. This whole thing is pretty crazy, that's all I gotta say. So let's go with... who else is on here? Man, we have a lot of people on this one! A lot of people. By the way, if anybody wants to come down here and join us in the Capitol Garage in downtown Sacramento, feel free to do so. We've got one person here listening, it's pretty fun.

[edit] Relentless

(1:08:30)

CASEY
OK, going onto Relentless. Relentless, what's goin' on?
RELENTLESS
So, you were saying you know more about law than Mark does?
CASEY
About what?
RELENTLESS
Well, you keep saying it has no merit, and I can spell the words about as much as I know, but I suspect that your law knowledge is probably about as deep as mine is, so why don't you just wait until Tuesday before you spout off about that again?
CASEY
Yeah.
RELENTLESS
You were actually right about one thing which you told Duane, that all he's posting is one side of the story. Well, Casey, the reason he's doing that is that all we hear otherwise is your side of the story. You know what your side of the story was, and continues to be?
CASEY
What's that?
RELENTLESS
"It's all good", "We're talking", "There's nothing going on", "There's no problem", "We're talking", "It's all good". Casey, as you well know, does a legal separation sound like it's all good to you? Cause that's where you are. She filed, for all the fans out there in radio land.
CASEY
It's still all good. There's a way out of this.
RELENTLESS
Yeah, there's a way out of this. Take the blog down. Get a job. Like we've been telling you to do for six months. That's your out. You want all your problems to go away, take the blog down. Quit trying to profit off of your fraud, you dummy! It's simple. We told you this six months ago. Yo wouldn't listen then, you wouldn't listen to Duane, you wouldn't listen to Mark. Yes, they turned on you, for good reason, because they saw you for who you really are.
CASEY
And you think they have the right to mess up my marriage and my personal affairs?
RELENTLESS
Well, considering your family went to them, yes, I think they do. So your contention is that if your wife, hypothetically, contacted me, that I should tell her "Oh, sorry, I'm not going to get involved in this. I'm not going to help you."
CASEY
Yeah.
RELENTLESS
Because that's essentially what you're asking.
CASEY
Exactly. I'm asking people to stay out of this personal side of it. Talk about my finances, talk about my debt, that's what the blog is about. It was never meant to be a blog about my marriage. I started touching on that, and I realized I shouldn't have never gone there. That's a mistake I made, and now I don't do it any more. But people are still out there to try to bring all this crap up!
RELENTLESS
Well, the reason why it's still out there is because you continue to proffer the point that your family is fine with it, your family is OK with it. You hate to talk about it, and you're right, it's none of my damn business. But you made it my business, sad as that may be.
CASEY
I made it your business?
RELENTLESS
You posted it on the network. You continue to fail to grasp the gravity of your situation, in more ways than one. Do you even have any idea at what rate your interest, your debt is going up? It's not going up at no rate. CashCall alone has 100% of your interest. What was the last contention? $40,000? What is it now? Fifty? I don't know, that sounded like kinda strange amounts to me too, but in any case, it's not $40,000 any more, and neither are the rest of them.
CASEY
We don't know that. That's why I'm gonna call. People speculate.
RELENTLESS
And you said the same thing last week and the week before, and yet you haven't called them yet.
CASEY
That's fine - I'll get to it. But who are you to... who appointed you a judge over when I call today or tomorrow? It's good to keep me accountable, it's not good to force me into stuff that you shouldn't be forcing me into, like Duane and Mark are trying to do.
RELENTLESS
Well, I think you need to look at it less as being forced and more as being actual given information. Good advice. You don't see it that way, you see it as being meddling. Again, Duane tried to help you, he tried to give you a job.
CASEY
Advice has been open and I've been given advice on my blog from the start. That's why I started the blog. I let people say whatever they want to say. I keep it very organic. What I don't want is people getting in there trying to force me to do something that they think is best for me but they don't know any better.
RELENTLESS
So profiting from your fraud is what's best for you?
CASEY
I'm not profiting from my fraud.
RELENTLESS
Because that's what it is, Casey. So you didn't commit eight counts of mortgage fraud?
CASEY
You've gotta wrap it up, man. Wrap it up or there'll be a mute.
RELENTLESS
For what reasons? Because you can't dispute my points? It's really just that simple.
CASEY
We've already talked about this many many times. I made some mistakes, you know, I was honest about them, and that was what the blog was about. And I'm trying to do my best to turn the whole thing around. Just because people don't agree with the way I'm doing it does not mean they're going to try to sue me. That's stupid!
RELENTLESS
Well, I'm going to make one more point, and feel free to mute me if you really really want to. The saddest thing you're doing is trying to position yourself as a foreclosure expert. My cat knows more about foreclosure than you do.
CASEY
Never did I say I'm an expert on that. I just said I help people by e-mail with what I can. I never go out there and call myself an expert. Mark is stepping over the boundaries when he says that's what I'm guilty of.
RELENTLESS
I never really think Mark said that. I keep hearing you saying that, that you're trying to position yourself as giving advice and making referrals or profiting from...
CASEY
Well yeah, eventually, but I'm not on there saying click here, I'm the expert, I'll help you out, listen to my advice. No, I share what I know, I don't claim I'm some kind of expert, or... I'm not giving out legal advice or any of that stuff.
RELENTLESS
You also realize that the e-mail that you posted on your site is most likely just another troll, right? She posted that on about six or seven other sites in some various form. The story's a little hard to believe, anyways.
CASEY
All right, look, look. It may or may not be, it was a compelling story, I felt like it was a good one to share.
RELENTLESS
Well, Casey, my point is mostly this. You may believe that you have the intent to pay back your debt. What you lack is the ability. Any money that you happen to run into, you're not going to pay your lenders back. You've pretty much admitted that. You're going to invest in the next big shiny thing, some 5% back scam fund, you know, another cash back loan in a failing real estate market, something. You just can't do it. And your blog...
CASEY
(interrupting) So I should quit my business and get a job, right? That's the best way to pay off my debt in your opinion?
RELENTLESS
That's your best way to pay off your debt. Get yourself out of the public eye. You continue to take these calls every Friday. Casey, do you not know that every Friday you're going to be talking to five or six or ten people just like me, who can't stand the way that you act. And I'll tell you this, Casey, you hate the...
CASEY
(interrupting) You're right. I've got these Mafia people on, like you.
RELENTLESS
Well, you're probably gonna find two or three Hotlips with some crazy story that a 50-plus man halfway across the continent is trying to pull your wife away from you. Sure, if you want to take two hours of those calls... (sudden silence)
CASEY
That was not right, man. Personal attacks, that's not gonna be good. My temper is running pretty short here. I'm not gonna let people attack other listeners that way. That's not right. Moving on...

[edit] IslandStyle

TODO: below are fragments of conversation, needs to be filled in

ISLANDSTYLE
hello
CASEY
i'm doing pretty good
ISLANDSTYLE
got a question for you
CASEY
shoot
ISLANDSTYLE
has it been your claim all along to pay your lenders
CASEY
can you read
ISLANDSTYLE
i'm going to read this from a transcript then you can
CASEY
trying to trap me
ISLANDSTYLE
going to casey reading: check this out six properties receiving 3500 dollar checks unfortunately..." can you explain that? if your intention was to pay your lenders
CASEY
are you still there?
ISLANDSTYLE
yeah
CASEY
okay good let me wrap let me go over this was from my copyrighted voice recording
ISLANDSTYLE
were those your words yes or no
CASEY
of course i'm not going to deny it
ISLANDSTYLE
okay
CASEY
i'll explain it if you give me a chance
ISLANDSTYLE
okay
CASEY
in context new mexico in my site bar really nice property agreement builders paying me 3500 month part of the reason i bought the thing most speculative deal i did any built-in equity aside from that this lady here caught me red-handed let's consider
ISLANDSTYLE
you were looking at it as free money
CASEY
if explain myself
ISLANDSTYLE
you can explain yourself
CASEY

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CASEY
i was not paying any of my lenders facing foreclosure started the blog only income continue cashing checks need to live on something figure doing next builder knew about it paying payments receiving not paying underlying mortgage well that's what you gotta do the lender of course not fair receiving rent
ISLANDSTYLE
is it legal
CASEY
i don't know
ISLANDSTYLE
probably not
CASEY
again trying to float wife's credit card still making her payments didn't want to screw up her credit march making payments borrowing peter pay paul
ISLANDSTYLE
it's not borrowing!
CASEY
digging self hole one step better than that
ISLANDSTYLE
how is it income? that money was designated to pay the mortgage, how is that income? please explain how that just because you're getting a check
CASEY
i'm not saying
ISLANDSTYLE
how is it gross income?
CASEY
trying to define the word c'mon
ISLANDSTYLE
i don't hate you
CASEY
yeah right! check your attitude!
ISLANDSTYLE
it's disgusting! you're a complete conman! just infuriating any people deserve to understand where you're coming from ever considered seeing a psychiatrist
CASEY
checks not income
ISLANDSTYLE
if it's a check coming from your builder that's ridiculous. I mean obviously, buying cash back, maybe in the very beginning, only bought for cash back
CASEY
no free for 9 months
ISLANDSTYLE
and you didn't buy it for the 3500 dollars that was going to come in
CASEY
it was going to be free property for
ISLANDSTYLE
was that your intention
CASEY
i really cannot talk like this
ISLANDSTYLE
so how many payments did you make
CASEY
(mutes) doesn't even let you get a word in 9 months lease back builder covered closing costs pure speculation at least other properties i was trying to do fix-and-flip figure 9 months later got to point where february or march go back if not i'll put it up later so i was making those payments i believe july august facing foreclosure stopped making those payments only income had to do something to figure out live on and make some of the debt payment so i stopped was it right? wasn't the best scenario at the same time if you have no money to live on put food on the table and pay your rent some people have weird ideas i feel bad about i don't know how legal or not legal it is let's not be so much of a hater anymore

[edit] M. SINGH

(1:54:16)

CASEY
All right, let's go with... sorry guys, my internet's running really slow. OK, who's this person - BuckDharma? Let's try this BuckDharma person, go ahead.
M. SINGH
(instantly recognizable) Hello, I've seen that, uh... Anyway, are you there?
CASEY
Yeah, that sounds like a person trying to use a different handle to get in. So hey, my patience is going to be really really short, but we'll give it a shot, but I'll give it a shot. You still there?
M. SINGH
With all that's happened over the past few days, the past few weeks, I've got a question for you: did you buy an iPhone?
CASEY
(laughs). You know, uh... man, it's very tempting to buy one of those, but no I didn't.
M. SINGH
OK. But anyways, let's just have a recap of events between June 1st, your June 1st talkcast, and right now. I remember that I told you quite unequivocally to get off the internet. And you should have done it... (sudden silence)
CASEY
OK, that was starting to be kind of a Haterz™ thing. I was trying to finish it up with some fresh blood and he kinda snuck in there under a different username. We'll try ChicagoBroad66...

[edit] ChicagoBroad66 (Lisa)

(1:55:31)

CASEY
...we'll try ChicagoBroad66, that's funny...
LISA
Why is it funny? I am a Chicago broad!
CASEY
OK, all right, let's hear from you. Hey, I wasn't trying to be a hater about that!
LISA
No, nobody's trying to be a hater! I'm just kind of curious here, because you are a little upset because your personal life has obviously flipped out onto the internet. But don't you think, in a way, that because you put yourself out there that that was going to happen?
CASEY
Oh man, same argument. Ok, yes I put myself out there...
LISA
It's not an argument, it's just kind of.. you know, it kinda reminds me of...
CASEY
Look, I put my finances out there, but people go way, way above the finances, and that's not cool.
LISA
No, I never said it was cool. But what I'm curious is is it's kind of the same argument that you've made yourself a personality over this period of time with this blog. You've done a bunch of media, you've done this stuff, and it's kind of the same argument, isn't it, that movie stars and that use? In that I do this one thing but you're not allowed to say anything else?
CASEY
Well, look, I understand being public, that's part of what happens. Still, does that... people are trying to sue me just because they don't like one little thing I did. So that's what's going on here, that's what I'm upset about. But anyway, let's move on to somebody else. Is there anything else?
LISA
I was just curious. You are... how much responsibility do you take in the fact that things are rolling downhill at, like, a rapid pace. I hear a lot of, you know, this person did this...
CASEY
(interrupting) How much responsibility?
LISA
How much of what happened is your responsibility?
CASEY
Of course, ultimately I'm the one that started it, OK. So if you wanna say I'm responsible for all of it... well, if that's the argument you wanna make, go ahead and make that. I'll agree to part of it.
LISA
No, that's not what I want to say. It's what you want to say. What is it that you would like to say about your responsibility in this thing? How much is your responsibility?
CASEY
Of course I'm partially responsible for the whole thing! Yeah, of course I'm part to blame for the whole thing. Yeah, I'm not going to run away from that. I started it and now look what happened. I didn't know it was going to happen, but does that mean it's not completely my fault? No, but still, that doesn't excuse some of these other people. I'm not out to point fingers, if that's what you're asking.
LISA
No, I just...
CASEY
I just wanna stop some unreasonable behavior, that's all.
LISA
What is it that you believe that you can do to stop the... because the snowball is obviously going downhill, so what is it that you believe you can do to stop it now?
CASEY
OK, there's two minutes left, so I'll answer that question but I'll go ahead and mute you. The only thing I can really do at this point is... well one, try to... I guess close the blog down. That may or may not help. It'll probably help in the long term, but then there are certain costs associated with that move, so I'll have to think that through really carefully. Another thing I can try to do is continue sharing, continue making a comeback, and start paying off some of those debts. I have this thing coming up here that I'm trying to negotiate.. where I'll be able to partner with somebody on this blog and make some money to... enough money possibly to settle all of my wife's credit cards. I haven't told people that, this is the first time I'm saying it, but there's definitely something really good going on behind the scenes that I'm working on, and I don't talk about it because I don't want people sabotaging it. But yeah, there's a possibility for me to wipe off all of my wife's credit cards fairly soon here, or at least a large portion of it, and so that will be a very positive step forward. And then just doing other things, so the two choices are either shut down and go quietly into the night or continue being public and start making a turnaround, and they both have pros and cons.

[edit] Snackle

(1:59:30)

CASEY
All right, there's thirty seconds left until this thing being two hours. I'll just go ahead and close it down with one more random person, just like one last thing. We'll go with, uh... (pause) Did I try to get Snackle yet? Snackle, are you there?
SNACKLE
Hello, good evening!
CASEY
Hi. Are you there?
SNACKLE
Yes I am - can you hear me?
CASEY
OK, yeah, you have about... we're already past two hours so just say one last thing, one last question, one last comment and we'll end this whole thing. There's a lot more people online but... yeah, go ahead.
SNACKLE
OK, I wanted to know if you've started seeking out psychological help yet?
CASEY
No, I have not.
SNACKLE
Why not?
CASEY
(long pause, possibly muted) Is there anything else?
SNACKLE
No, other than an answer.
CASEY
Well yes, I said I have not.
SNACKLE
Why not?
CASEY
Why not? Because I don't think I need that right now.
SNACKLE
You don't? What does your wife think?
CASEY
Yes, sounds like you disagree. I'm a crazy guy or what? I've lost all my brains, or, you know, I've completely gone cuckoo or... what do you think?
SNACKLE
No, but it might help you to get some professional advice, to either confirm that you're healthy or maybe just to have someone to talk to and point you in some other directions.
CASEY
Yeah... (pause) Well, OK, I've heard this many many times before. I don't completely say I'll never do it, but at this point I'm just not ready for something like that because I don't think I really need it, so... But hey, thanks for chiming in. We're going to end this thing right now. Speaking of going to the doctors and all that, I would much rather go for something natural and, you know, something that would help me without any side effects, and cope with all this stress and go get more pills. But you know what? Talking to a doctor might be a good idea, but just not at this point. But I don't think I'm crazy, I don't know about you guys.
SNACKLE
Why not check into food allergies?
CASEY
Well, thanks for chiming in.
SNACKLE
OK, bye-bye.
CASEY
Yeah, bye. All right, guys, talk to you guys later. That was IAmFacingForeclosure.com Foreclosure Fridays, see you next Friday.

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  1. ↑ Capitol Garage, Sacramento: purveyors of "premium organic coffee".
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