IAFF Talkcast 10

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Contents 1 Summary 2 Opening Statements 3 LostSite 4 BirdDoggingMailMan 5 NuttyBee 6 CHJTS 7 WilliamGA 8 Dwight 9 CWebster2 10 Eunice 11 RoFuun 12 LossMitPro 13 Annie 14 FillUp 15 AJ 16 Pink Lips 17 Eedjiot 18 CWebster2 19 David 20 BirdDoggingMailMan 21 LostSite 22 CHJTS 23 Dwight 24 Chet 25 Closing Statements

July 20th 2007: Casey does another broadcast from Sacramento's Capital Garage Cafe, although this one is cut short by an urgent conflicting appointment.

MP3: http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-8714/TS-32920.mp3

[edit] Summary

00:59 - Casey Serin

Casey attempts to play his "theme song", with 0% success, before setting the ground rules: no lawsuit talk, no negativity.

04:30 - LostSite

LostSite asks Casey about his plans for employment.

11:00 - BirdDoggingMailMan

Casey answers a question about Phoenix: no, it wasn't NRU.

12:20 - NuttyBee

Where is Casey living?

13:16 - CHJTS

Casey addresses his strengths.

16:26 - WilliamGA

After several weeks of no-shows, supporter WilliamGA finally finds his voice but has little to say.

17:02 - Dwight

Is the blog sold? "It's all up in the air right now." Casey is advised to "stop apologizing".

19:36 - CWebster2

FBI? Casey can't talk about it. Okay, back to Casey's strengths: dealmaking?!

21:04 - Eunice

Paying back Mum is what the job's all about: "she's definitely on top of the list." Pushed further, Casey simply mutes her.

22:08 - RoFuun

Casey is again recommended to consult a therapist.

26:22 - LossMitPro

LossMitPro is listening; Casey skips him for legal reasons.

26:39 - Annie

Annie gets Casey to confirm that he intends to pay off Galina's credit card debt. Casey mutes her before she can grill him further.

29:42 - FillUp

Haircut? Nope. And how long can Casey go on without a job?

30:23 - AJ

Supporter.

31:40 - Pink Lips

Pink Lips recommends Casey countersue.

33:47 - Eedjiot

Casey is "a pathological liar". Muted.

35:45 - CWebster2

Where is the money coming from?

37:23 - David

Has Casey been criminally charged? No.

38:10 - BirdDoggingMailMan

Would Casey recommend seminars now?

41:53 - LostSite

44:00 - CHJTS

46:34 - Dwight

49:30 - Chet

53:02 - Casey

Casey wants to take one more call, but can't find anyone he wants to talk to.

[edit] Opening Statements

(00:59)

CASEY

Hey guys, welcome to... another... talkcast, I Am Facing Foreclosure dot com. Can you hear the, one of the entries, in the, song contest playing right now? Hopefully it'll come over correctly. [silence] That was just a quick soundbite of one of the entries in the I Am Facing Foreclosure theme song by AudioFonixxx99. It's really good. The reason I identify with that song is like I already said, there's been a lot of things going on, but, um, I usually take all of that, all of those things in stride, all the trouble, the haterz and the lawsuits and all that, even the FBI, it's really not that big of a deal to me. I feel like it's all temporary, I can get through all of it. Um. The problem, the bigger problem for me is, has been kinda the whole relationship thing has been... I'll just say it's worse than I thought. And so I've been, kind of um... yeah, I've been emotionally affected by it. Um, and that stuff really um, really has been tough to take, but um, I still have hope, and I, I still feel things will turn up, that things are gonna be all good.

Couple of ground rules: we're not gonna talk about, um, anything to deal with Mark, or LossMitPro or the lawsuit, because that's being handled by my attorney right now, so I don't wanna, interfere with that. And I feel really good that I finally came to [audio dropout] this attorney, and, it's just a good thing, even though it cost me a lot of money, but, it's all good. I'm not going to talk about the blog sale either, uh, I do have a lot of strong offers, and, and things are kind of cooking there, but uh, nothing's for sure yet so I'm not gonna really talk about that. And if you listened to the last talkcast, this one's gonna be quite a big difference from the last one. We're not probably gonna have the All-Star lineup this time, and I'm gonna have very uh, uhm, very low tolerance with haterz and, and negativity, because I'm just sick of it, honestly. And we're just winding everything down here with I Am Facing Foreclosure. August 3rd is gonna be the last um, the last, ah, day. And I am very serious about closing everything down and getting out of this whole spotlight. Um, there's been a lot of good things that came from this publicity, but, more harm than good. So it's gonna be good to um, move on.

Few more people that showed up here at the Capital Garage. Um... you wanna swing by, you can do that. 1500 K Street in Sacramento. I'll be here for the next podcast, and probably the one after that. I think we'll probably have two more talkcasts, last podcasts left, before this whole thing is gonna be over. I'm only gonna be on this one for about an hour, so... I'm gonna go until six, then I'm gonna shut this one down. I have a pretty urgent uh, appointment I have to make today that I couldn't reschedule, unfortunately.

So we'll go ahead and start with a few questions. Again, please keep it short and brief, and there are certain things I can't talk about, if you start talking about those things, namely, um, Mark, and uh, the blog sale, or my wife, you know, I, if, if you get too much into it, I'm gonna have to mute you. Let's go ahead and take a few questions.

[edit] LostSite

(04:30)

CASEY

Start with LostSite, go ahead. Hold on, let me unmute you. LostSite, are you there?

LOSTSITE

Hey Casey, can you hear me? [long pause] Hello?

CASEY

Yeah. Hey LostSite, go ahead.

LOSTSITE

Okay. Hey Casey, it's been an interesting couple of weeks for you there I see. Um, the--

CASEY

Oh yeah.

LOSTSITE

(laughs) Well, that that doesn't kill us only makes us stronger, so just keep that in mind. Um, you know, the question I have for you is that you just mentioned that you said that you'd had more harm done to you than good. Can you kind of elaborate on the "more harm than good" on this?

CASEY

Sure, basically, ah... all of this exposure, whether negative or positive, I always thought that any publicity is good publicity. Well, the fact of the matter is, when it starts hurting your relationships and people around you, that's when it becomes more harm than good.

LOSTSITE

Hmm, that's understandable. Er... now you, um... basically, basically you got into this because you had aspirations of becoming wealthy. You've always used that word passive income which of course myself, I don't believe in passive income. I just know too many people that work very hard, and they're very successful, but unfortunately they work very hard for what they get. Ah.. But now all of a sudden, is it just this one little negativity, the, ah, family situation that has caused you to basically say well, you know what, this isn't worth it any more? And if that's the case, what is your long term plans now? Is it just to go and get a job, and just try to be happy that way?

CASEY

Um, I have several things that I want to accomplish through this. One, aside from the hurts to the relationships and the damage that I've caused through this publicity, mainly to my wife and I feel really bad about that, is, ah, and this whole experience has been kind of a wake up call for me... Aside from all that I also realize that a lot of this publicity, being in the spotlight, is good because it brings a lot of good connections and opportunities but it's also bad because it distracts me. And I've gotten enough great-- enough benefit out of it to [audio dropout] to go away from all of it. So it's not just that my relations are going to benefit, I will also benefit from just kind of going away and not having thousands of people looking over my shoulder and just-- this will give me a real chance to really focus. And I've been talking about massive action on the blog, but I haven't really had a chance to do that because of all the distractions. And the blog is taking a lot of my time, and also mental energy, I'm always thinking about it: well, what am I going to write about next, how do I keep these people entertained or interested, so it's a, it really consumes all of me. And so now it's time to move on to bigger better things. And mainly unwinding this whole mess I've created.

LOSTSITE

Okay. So I mean, what, besides unwinding the mess there was, Casey... okay, like for instance, right now you have some income coming in from the blog. It's obviously helping you to, ah, at least pay the, er, bills that you need to pay, the stuff that you -- your overhead, basically, and keep you surviving. Now you're going to lose that when you close this, ah, blog down obviously--

CASEY

Actually already, I already canceled all my advertisers because ah, well, you know, I just wanted to give them some value. I still keep them on the site but I'm not making any more money from that. I have, I have a little bit saved up to last me until I get myself into a job. Unfortunately this lawsuit has has been taking a lot of my reserves that I had saved up, and that's why I was kind of upset about that, but I do appreciate those who have donated towards the defense fund. That's, that's making a big difference for me. Ah, but the next, the next step is to get into a job or some way to produce some income that I can live on and start rebuilding this all-- and get out of this mess.

LOSTSITE

Now, you know, you say you want to get into a job, so that you can start rebuilding and all that, but... Now one of the things, I'm self-employed--

CASEY

Yeah.

LOSTSITE

--and one of the things that I can tell you is that I could never go back to working for somebody else. It just doesn't work. And maybe it's an ego thing for me, maybe it's just-- you know, it, it's always something, because now, going back to working for somebody else, now you have to answer to somebody else, now you have to go on their time, you have to ask them to do whatever, I mean, you just have so much limited stuff that you can do as compared to being self-employed.

CASEY

Yeah.

LOSTSITE

Ah, things that they might ask you to do, you might feel maybe you can do better, now you're stuck because they're not going to listen to you -- I mean, are you ready for that?

CASEY

Um... honestly, I'm not. I really don't wanna, to go that route, but I'll have to do what I have to do and make the sacrifice for now to show, um, my wife mainly that I'm willing to do that. But you know what, at the same time it's possible to have a little bit of both, because, for example, this guy that I met with in Phoenix, the opportunity is that there's going to be big salary and lots of flexibility, plus there's going to be commission from the, from the stuff I do. So it's going to be very much a self-driven type of thing, where I get, I get paid based on my, ah, performance. So it's very much like being self-employed yet having some safety net with the paid salary. So I'm looking for something like that, that's like [audio dropout]. And I want to stay kind of in the real estate area and keep my foot in the door, so to speak. And that's, this opportunity, Phoenix, does provide that. I don't really want to relocate though, so I'm still looking into it to see if I can stay local. And I have other things I'm looking at locally. So, so, there's a lot of different opportunities that I'm exploring.

LOSTSITE

M-kay. Well but, you know, just keep in mind one other thing Casey, I mean, because you did, er, you know you mentioned that you want to prove to your wife that you, you can do these things. Um, what you need to do is just prove to yourself, more than anybody else, that this is what you want to do. Learn to be happy and stabilize yourself first. And then once you do that, everything else will fall into place. I know right now it doesn't look that way, but that's what will happen. Everybody has those rough roads when they first start, and you just had a real rough one, but... the distance between those who succeed and those who fail is those who persevere and those who just give up.

CASEY

That's true. You're right. No that, that's really good, thanks for bringing these things up. [pause] Move on to the next person. I'll catch you if we have time, how's that?

LOSTSITE

All right, sounds good Casey, and good luck to ya.

CASEY

All right, thanks.

All right, guys, we're going to move through this really quick. I'm only going to about six, unless, ah, my appointment gets canceled, which I'll be keeping an eye on that too. Um, but, ah, let's do one question per person, just put together your best question and I'll do my best to answer it.

[edit] BirdDoggingMailMan

(11:00)

CASEY

Yeah, we're going to go with BirdDoggingMailMan, looks like. (pause) Hold on. BirdDoggingMailMan, are you there?

BIRDDOGGINGMAILMAN

Yeah, what's up Casey?

CASEY

Yeah, go ahead, go ahead with your one question.

BIRDDOGGINGMAILMAN

Yeah, all right. One question. All right, all right, better pick a good one. Um... I didn't get a chance to listen to the entire last caller so I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but I know it's something that was on a lot of people's minds. Um... and I'm sure you knew this was coming from somebody. It was, um, it looked like the picture you posted, um, from the hotel, was a hotel that was really close to NRU. Is that a coincidence, or... did you have something going on out there?

CASEY

Ah, haha, that's kind of funny, I, I know that people were speculating that. No, my trip had nothing at all to do with NRU, it just happened to be also in Scottsdale. And, ah, but, this guy that I've been meeting with, he flew me out and he paid for the hotel and all that stuff. Um, he has no connection to NRU.

BIRDDOGGINGMAILMAN

All right. It just, right, that was the conclusion that everybody jumped to, so...

CASEY

Yeah. Well thanks for your question--

BIRDDOGGINGMAILMAN

All right, well--

CASEY

Oh, sorry, go ahead. (pause) Go ahead and finish up.

BIRDDOGGINGMAILMAN

Oh no, I was just going to say, um, um, I was just going to ask if I had time for anything else, but if you want to move on that's fine.

CASEY

Yeah, I'll catch you if we have time on the next round.

[edit] NuttyBee

(12:20)

CASEY

Okay, we're going to do one question per person, the next one is Nutty, NuttyBee. Hold on, let me unmute you. NuttyBee, are you there?

NUTTYBEE

Hey Casey, how you doing?

CASEY

I'm doing pretty good, just kinda taking it one day at a time, lot of craziness going on as usual, so. Go ahead.

NUTTYBEE

Yeah, well, you were in my neighborhood, I, I definitely live like a mile away from the west side(sic?). I live here in Scottsdale, I, I, I wish you'd uh, given us some advance notice, I would've taken you out for a Jamba Juice just for the heck of it. But uh, I was just sort of wondering, where are you living at this point?

CASEY

I'm staying with some people I know in the Sacramento area, so uh... Things are, things are good, I'm able to stay here for a while... until we get things resolved.

NUTTYBEE

Well, I wish you the best of luck on that, and uh, certainly uh, keep us posted if you feel like it; otherwise, you know, if you just want to wind it down, we totally understand. Good luck.

CASEY

Well, thanks a lot. Good question.

[edit] CHJTS

(13:16)

CASEY

Alright, next, next one, uh, CHJTS Shark, Mr. Shark here. One question, man, shoot, go ahead.

CHJTS

Hey Casey, how you doin'?

CASEY

Yeah, I'm doin' alright, man.

CHJTS

Well first of all, I wanna say, you know that, uh, I'm pretty relieved to hear that uh, your trip to Phoenix has nothing to do with NRU, but uh, (Casey interrupts here) that brings you to an entirely new level.

CASEY

(interrupts and talks over CHJTS) Yeah, you know, honestly I'll tell you real quick I-- Yeah, the thing about NRU, um, I'm not going to defend them or, or, trash talk them, I'm just say, I'll just say I'm not really gonna do anything with them anymore. It's just, it's not my thing anymore.

CHJTS

Yeah. So anyway, you know, we already, we already know how I feel about, with you and your wife and everything else, um, one of the-- I'll just keep it brief until you come back around to me-- um, one of the things that you should do, since uh, you mentioned earlier that you wanna get a job or some type of other-- I hope... when you said some other type of passive income, it kind of threw up a red flag with me-- why don't you go and just get a job uh, you know, as like an apartment manager or something? That way, it's gonna teach you critical skills for, for remodeling or what not, you're still involved in real estate, and you're producing some type of W-2 wage. 'Cause I'll tell ya, when I first got started in real estate, about fourteen years ago, for two years that's what I started doing. I did it, I was an apartment manager, went and unclogged toilets, they taught me how to paint, taught me a bunch of other stuff, and everything like that, and I was able to produce a W-2 job. And I got free apartment for it. Why don't you do that?

CASEY

Good, ah, good question, let me answer that. Let me go ahead and put you on mute, um, and I'll catch you on the next one. As I answer questions, I'm just gonna do one at a time. Um, basically... the job as an apartment manager. Uh, I gotta go with my strengths, and honestly, management-- actually, I'll keep you unmuted in case you want to do a follow up question, or, uh, clear it up-- um, honestly I gotta go with my strengths. Management and detail work is not my strength. Yeah I can improve on it, and really I should improve on my weaknesses, but my strength is more about uh, deal-making and promotions and, and uh, more of the creative work, so I, I'm looking for something like that. And uh, sales, and stuff like that.

CHJTS

Well, Casey, you have a lot of weaknesses when it comes to real estate. We, I mean, everybody knows that, and I believe you know that also. You're gonna hafta-- To make it in real estate, you're gonna hafta force yourself to, to face those weaknesses and make them strengths.

CASEY

I realize that.

CHJTS

So, whether you like it or not, I think you're just gonna, you're gonna hafta take what your weaknesses are, and that's basically looking at the details, and getting down there and getting your hands dirty. The problem is, you don't want to get your hands dirty. You don't want to do the work. You're gonna hafta force yourself to do the work, whether you like it or not. Otherwise Casey, you're gonna be doomed to work a W-2 job. You need to work one anyway for the next five to ten years to, to basically get that skill set that you need, 'cause you've never had a real job; you've always been pie-in-the-sky, looking for the next shiny object. To do that, you need to get down and get your hands dirty and basically force yourself to do things you don't wanna do. I'll save the rest of my questions for the next round.

CASEY

Alright, thanks Shark.

[edit] WilliamGA

(16:26)

CASEY

We're going on with WilliamGA. One question, WilliamGA.

WILLIAMGA

How you doing, Casey?

CASEY

Doing alright.

WILLIAMGA

Uh, just wanted to call and uh, just uh, give you some support, say "hope things work out well for you".

CASEY

I appreciate that. Thanks for the positive feedback.

WILLIAMGA

But uh, you konw, I know you've been through a lot and uh, um, just glad to see everything's uh, wrapping up and uh, I hope things work out well for you and your family.

CASEY

Thanks a lot, man. I appreciate it.

WILLIAMGA

Alright.

CASEY

Alright. Alright, good, good feedback like that really keeps me going. Thanks for that.

[edit] Dwight

(17:02)

CASEY

We'll go with uh, DwightKShrute, something like that. You there? Hold on, let me unmute you. Are you there?

DWIGHT

Hello?

CASEY

Hey Dwight.

DWIGHT

How you doin'? Listen, uh, I got a quick question and then, uh, just some feedback.

CASEY

'Kay.

DWIGHT

Uh, the question is... I know you don't want to get into the blog thing, but I was just listening to last Saturday's uh, uh, talk, that you gave, and you announced that you'd sold it. And now you seem to be saying that you haven't sold it. So.. what is it? What's the situation?

CASEY

Uh, um, the whole thing's up in the air right now, and--

DWIGHT

(interrupts) Okay, alright, that's all. Okay. So listen, I just want to give you some feedback from a guy who's like twice your age when it comes to business. I was listening to your uh, talk uh, I think it was on Friday, when you had LossMitPro and a couple of those other guys whose names I can't remember at the moment, and you just kept apologizing continuously. I mean, you, you were practically apologizing for being in the same room as these guys.

CASEY

Yeah.

DWIGHT

I don't think you owe these guys any apologies for anything. I mean, I don't know all the details of all the problems you've had with them, the problems that, you know, they've had with you, etcetera, but I'm just saying like, man just stop apologizing like you were. You don't need to. You know, you're, you're young, you're learning, the hard way (chuckles) all these business lessons and so on, so you're making some mistakes and so on. And you know, if you've decided to pull out of a deal that your gut tells you is just plain wrong for you, then it's not a good deal, you know, that you might be taking advantage of, so no need to apologize for it. Uh, I don't know who those guys are, I've sort of come to the Casey Serin saga kind of late, uh, so I don't know all the details and all the history and so on, but I'm just saying man, like, you know, this is America, you don't need to apologize for anything, (laughs) nobody else does. So. That's all I wanted to say. Anyways, best of luck to ya, man.

CASEY

Yeah, okay. Well, thanks for that feedback.

DWIGHT

Alright.

CASEY

Um, yeah, thanks for that feedback Dwight. Yeeeah, I don't know, about the whole apologizing thing, I mean, I've done a lot of stupid things and I've screwed a lot of people so, I'm just, personality-wise, I'm quick to apologize. I don't wanna hurt anybody, I don't wish anything ill on anybody, that's just what I do. So I'd rather apologize a few extra times than, than be holding a grudge against anybody, but, anyway...

[edit] CWebster2

(19:36)

CASEY

I'm gonna skip up to um, back up to, let's see... Hold on, 'cause it's kinda out of order, but I didn't get this person... Yeah, CWebster2, go ahead. One question.

CWEBSTER2

That me?

CASEY

Yeah, go ahead.

CWEBSTER2

Yeah, I had a ah, question for you: would you summarize your ah situation with the FBI?

CASEY

Um... (chuckle) I hate to say this but there's a lot of things I can't talk about it right now, and that's one of them.

CWEBSTER2

Okay, well I'll give you that one, I'll give you that one. Then in that case, you said to-- I believe it was Shark there-- about your strengths, you mentioned that deal-making, sales among your strengths, but ah, looking at your history, really ah, those don't strike me as strengths. Your ah, your deal-making particularly, with your habit of calling "No deal!" about 72 hours after signing any type of ah, contract, and ah, your sales, I mean, your, your flipping kinda speaks for itself there. Ah, how do you really list these as strengths?

CASEY

Well, that's a fair comment, but, yeah, you make mistakes sometimes you learn from them. That's all I got to say right now. But I love making deals, uh, I haven't always made the best ones, but, again, opportunities to learn and improve.

CWEBSTER2

Okay, well thanks for the time.

CASEY

Sure, no problem. Alright, thanks for these quick questions guys, we'll keep just popping them out real quick, one at a time, uh, we're twenty minutes into it, looking to end this thing at about six, unless something changes, so let's keep going, one question at a time.

[edit] Eunice

(21:04)

CASEY

Go with Eunice, go ahead, Eunice. (pause) Check check, one two, Eunice.

EUNICE

Oh, hi.

CASEY

Hi.

EUNICE

Um, you know, how are you gonna pay back all the money that your mom co-signed for?

CASEY

How?

EUNICE

Yeah.

CASEY

Well, that's what getting the job is all about!

EUNICE

Oh well that's good.

CASEY

Yeah, and I'm still paying it, I'm not defaulting on any of that stuff.

EUNICE

Well I hope not!

CASEY

I just, I just wish I could pay everything else. At this point, I just have to, uh, do what I can.

EUNICE

Yeah, but you're gonna pay your mom back, right?

CASEY

Oh yeah, I'm paying, uh, I'm paying the, the bills, and, as soon as I can get a big chunk of change, I'll uh, I'll have to think about how I can distribute it all... but yeah, she's definitely on the top of the list.

EUNICE

But you're gonna pay, pay it back, so your mom doesn't get stuck with that, right?

CASEY

Well, why do keep asking this, as if I'm not gonna pay it back?

EUNICE

Uh... because, uh...

CASEY

I mean, I'm getting a little offended here, as if you think I'm just gonna screw people here. I'm gonna go ahead and mute you, moving on.

[edit] RoFuun

(22:08)

CASEY

Ah, RoFuun. RoFuun.

ROFUUN

Hey.

CASEY

Yeah, go ahead.

ROFUUN

Um, so... I, I, I mean this like really respectfully, but I'm a little confused. You uh... have you ever, have you ever talked to anyone? Like maybe a therapist or something about the potential that maybe-- I mean, especially now, you've got so much--

CASEY

(interrupts) Maybe I'm crazy?

ROFUUN

No no no no! No. Not at all. No. I, I mean, you've got all this stuff going on right now that uh, most people would probably be experiencing some symptoms of depression, and maybe talking to someone might help, and maybe when you do that, they could, I mean, you could go back and tell your haterz, "no, you know, I talked to someone and they said I'm totally fine, you know. No Narcissistic Personality Disorder, no Anti-Social Personality Disorder, I've got a clean bill of mental health." You know, this way, put all the speculation to rest, right.

CASEY

Yeah, you know, that's, that's a fair comment. In other words, go and actually do it and show people, "look guys, I'm normal." Is that what you're saying?

ROFUUN

Absolutely. And, you know, and if, maybe, if there was a problem, then you'd already be in a good place to get help. But, you know, one way or another, it's kind of a win-win for you, right? I mean--

CASEY

Yeah.

ROFUUN

--if there's an issue, you get it dealt with, if there's not an issue, you get to come back and say, you know, "hey, no issues, and I, you know, I took--" and plus, you could say you took people's advice! Because people have been advising you to go talk to someone for a long time. So, it sort of seems like there's, it's sort of a no-lose... aside from the fact that you're maybe gonna have to pony up a little bit of money up front. But...

CASEY

That's a fair comment. That's a good comment. One, one thing, one thing is that, I know those guys... if, if they feel like there is something that you might have, they'll use it to prescribe you some drugs, some pills... I'm just against all that crap. 'Cause they usually have all this, all these side effects, and I'd rather go with natural stuff. And I, I... go ahead.

ROFUUN

Not going to-- Okay, absolutely not going to prescribe, prescribe you anything unless that's something you want to do. You should have no problem finding a therapist who's willing to just talk to you without attempting to use medication. And you can find other therapists that are willing to do holistic work with you, so it's, it's kinda pretty broad spectrum of people who can, who can try to help you if, you know, again, if there is-- assuming, there's a problem, right? But if, if there was, there's a really, really broad spectrum of treatment options available. Not all of them involve drugs. And part of that is picking the right therapist who's going to be able to work with you and you're gonna feel comfortable with. Although, you know, you're gonna want to be careful that they're someone who actually has appropriate accreditation and licensing, so you're not, you know... You don't want to go to a guru, right? (Casey chuckles) You want to go to someone who has some legitimate training, but, you know, even, even with that, you should be able to find someone who's gonna, who's gonna listen to you if you say, "I don't want to do med-- I don't want to take medication. I'm going to try to--" You know, again, presuming there's a problem, which isn't necessarily true, but, you know, this is--

CASEY

(interjects) Yeah, I hear you.

ROFUUN

--going to help you, help you out. And that could be really, really helpful. I mean, even if, just, just, you know, the stress of what you're going through right now, which, you know, has gotten pretty extreme, you know.

CASEY

(interrupts) Yeah. Yeah, it's all coming down all at the same time. Things have been crazy, honestly, I've uh... the whole "it's all good" attitude has been-- Some days, it has not been all good, especially the last several days. But, anyway, I think I'll get through it, but, you know, you make a fair point, I'll give you that. So do you think I have any issues to worry about?

ROFUUN

You know, it's really hard to tell. That's something that a professional should probably look into. Um, you know, I've, I've had issues myself, I worked through some of them with medication, some without. Um, yeah, and maybe... if I had to guess, I would say it does sort of seem like you, you have, potentially, some uh, some issues to deal with. How severe they are, though, is, you know, really not for me to know, and, you know, also I'm not in your situation, so it's, it's really hard for me to say you have a problem when uh, when-- Again, you're in a pretty extreme circumstance, so most people are gonna react psychologically to that, you know, no matter how stable they might be.

CASEY

Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. Well, good point man, I'll consider that, thanks for that. I'll go ahead and--

ROFUUN

No problem, good luck.

CASEY

Alright, put you on mute.

[edit] LossMitPro

(26:22)

CASEY

Right, moving on. OK, we're going to skip over the next person, LossMitPro, because honestly I thought the whole thing was supposed to be done through attorneys. So we're not going to create an environment where we can start throwing dirt around each other. So we're going to have to skip that, and hopefully people will understand that.

[edit] Annie

(26:39)

CASEY

So we're going to go with AnnieAnswer. Annie, are you there? One question, Annie.

ANNIE

Yeah, I'm here. So we can't talk about your family, we can't talk about your legal things - what can we talk about?

CASEY

I don't know. If you have a question, fire away. If not, well keep going.

ANNIE

Well, you're currently asking for money - correct? - for your legal defense. Is that for...

CASEY

Yeah, that was the post.

ANNIE

OK, is that just for your defense against Mark or is that also for your criminal defense? Because it sounded like you were asking for money for a civil lawsuit.

CASEY

Yeah, it was for civil. That's what mainly it was for.

ANNIE

OK. And has everything been settled now? With you and Mark?

CASEY

Yeah.

ANNIE

OK, so you guys have reached a settlement - you're just not going to discuss what it is.

CASEY

Well, it's still... not quite, OK, not quite. It's still in a process, the attorneys are doing their thing - well, my attorney is. So I'll let the attorneys handle it. I'm really happy I made the decision to hire him, even though it was expensive. It's so much better doing it this way because there's so much personal stuff that gets in the picture when you deal with it directly, and I'm glad I made this move.

ANNIE

OK. Are you... what is your... what is it - this is my question now.

CASEY

OK, question.

ANNIE

What is it that you plan to do with regards to the debt of your spouse? Because originally it was my understanding that you were going to sell the blog, with a substantial portion going towards her debts - correct? And is that still the plan or are you changing plan?

CASEY

No, I'm not changing plans. The plan is still to pay off her debt as soon as possible.

ANNIE

From the sale of the blog?

CASEY

Yes. Either from the sale of the blog or through some other means. But right now, the only money I can get directly is probably through the sale of the blog unless I'm able to get a job really quick that pays well, then I can start making payments from that. So one way or another, my goal is to do that. Because the thing is, I don't wanna lose her, and I know one of my responsibilities is to take care of that debt, so that's my priority number one right now.

ANNIE

If you say you don't really wanna lose her, but, you know... are you going to pay off her debt regardless?

CASEY

Yes. Annie, I'm muting you. I'm moving on. I'm paying off her debt regardless. You're just going to drill at me and grill me and whatever else you're going to do.

[edit] FillUp

(29:42)

CASEY

'Kay, FillUp. FillUp, are you there?

FILLUP

Yeah. Hi Casey. I just wanted to ask you, did you get a haircut before you went on your job interview?

CASEY

Um... no, I did not.

FILLUP

Oh my god.

CASEY

The guy I went to, the guy who flew me out, he's really easygoing. He doesn't care if I have hair or not.

FILLUP

(laughs) How much longer can you go on without a job?

CASEY

Not too long, I really have some money saved up from the advertising, but now this lawsuit is taking away all my money, unfortunately, this just really sucks. But, anyway, I'm not gonna talk about it right now.

FILLUP

Okay, that answers my question.

CASEY

Alright, thanks.

[edit] AJ

(30:23)

CASEY

'Kay, next one is A-G-S-Cotser.

AJ

Hey Casey, AJ here.

CASEY

How do you, how do you say your last-- oh yeah, it's, I know you, go ahead.

AJ

(laughs) Listen, I just have some feedback, I guess, more than anything for you. I just wanted to, uh, to convey to you that I've been self-employed and successful in the past and it took a lot of hard work to get there, but you do get to a point where you can sit back and enjoy the benefits of, of doing that. And then I lost it. And, uh, I went back to a job, and that's one of the toughest things you'll ever do, and that's what you're facing right now. But don't lose your drive. Um, enjoy your job, use it as a tool, um, it will help you get to the next step. But take your time to learn and uh, and just be ready.

CASEY

Yeah.

AJ

And the door does open again down the road.

CASEY

Yeah, thanks for that feedback, thanks a lot for all your help and being positive. Um, I guess this is my time to really kinda go away from all this spotlight and go from I Am Facing Foreclosure to I Am Facing Millions, right?

AJ

Absolutely. Absolutely.

CASEY

(chuckle) Alright. Well thanks a lot.

[edit] Pink Lips

(31:40)

CASEY

Pink Lips is next. Pink Lips! Shoot, one question. Or feedback.

PINK LIPS

Hey Casey. I was wondering, is there something wrong with your email and do you still have your PayPal donation button? I've been trying to get a hold of you to help you with this attorney, but I never get a response.

CASEY

Oh, um... huh, I wonder why. Yeah, you can still email me at the same email address or you can fill out my contact form on my blog now. I was getting a lot of spam, so I did the contact form thing. Comes directly to me, so go ahead and try it again.

PINK LIPS

Okay.

CASEY

But if it doesn't work, um, I don't know, put it in a comment or something.

PINK LIPS

Okay, I'll put it in a comment. And also I wanted to ask: so you do have an attorney, and I had one piece of, um, I don't know, just an idea -- I personally think, it's totally up to you, that this person that has been bothering you, that you should completely turn around and countersue them with your attorney on a contingency basis. Because I feel there is enough, just from my opinion, enough evidence from him threatening you and going on and on that, that it was harassment and you could come out ahead in this game. You know, just, just my opinion. And good luck on everything and I hope you're, you're feeling okay. And don't worry, it'll get better.

CASEY

Yeah. I mean... I have my own feelings about that and I'd love to do that, but at the same time I have to be reasonable. So we'll see. I mean, it's ultimately down to cost--

PINK LIPS

Could you at least ask, could you at least ask your attorney what he thinks about that idea and get his feedback?

CASEY

Yeah... I mean, that was part of the strategy, honestly, but it all comes down to costs.

PINK LIPS

Right, right.

CASEY

And at the end of the day, I need to survive until I get into so-- the next thing--

PINK LIPS

Right.

CASEY

--which is a job or whatever I'm going to do. And, ah, the donations is a good thing, people have donated and I appreciate that. But attorneys aren't cheap, so...

PINK LIPS

Yeah, I know, one phone call can be three or four hundred dollars, I realize that, so...

CASEY

Yeah.

PINK LIPS

I'll see what I can do and I will try to get a hold of you one of those two ways--

CASEY

Well thanks a lot, yeah.

PINK LIPS

--and good luck, take care--

CASEY

Contact me again and I should be on top of it, all right?

PINK LIPS

Okay, all right, take care, bye bye.

CASEY

All right. Thanks Pink Lips.

[edit] Eedjiot

(33:47)

CASEY

All right, we're going to go with, ah, Eedjiot Suare, I guess. Eedjiot... Are you there, Eedjiot? Great.. um, username. I guess Eedjiot's just listening, we'll catch you on the next time if you-- hold on, go ahead.

EEDJIOT

Hello!

CASEY

Yep. Hey, do you want to ask a question?

EEDJIOT

Yeah! Ah, so, are you gonna leave your wife high and dry, or are you gonna pay?

CASEY

Have you been reading my blog lately?

EEDJIOT

Sure... your own comments, you're a pathological liar.

CASEY

Okay. Then we'll just mute you and move on.

All right, um... let's see, who haven't I gotten yet? (pause) This is good, just kind of going real quick through all this stuff, one question at a time. Okay, we're going to go up for anyone else I haven't gotten yet and then we'll go for round number two, we have about twenty-five minutes.

Um... okay, we're going to go with DavidRachells. David. Rachless. Sorry. (pause) Yeah, go ahead David. (long pause) Yeah, David, are you there? (pause) David, I can't hear you, you want to ask a question? (long pause) David, I'm not hearing you, I'm gonna have to mute you and catch you on the next one. Um... okay, let's see what we've got.

We have, ah, one-two-three-four people here in person at Capital City-- ah, Capital Garage Cafe, chatting away. Having a good time. Maybe I'll hang out with them after my appointment. So, let's see...

[edit] CWebster2

(35:45)

CASEY

All right, we're just going to start again, right down the list. CWebster2, shoot for another question.

CWEBSTER2

Hey, okay. For my second question, I was wondering: where did you come up with the fifteen hundred dollar retainer for your lawyer?

CASEY

That's what he charges me.

CWEBSTER2

Yeah, but where did you get that money?

CASEY

Oh, I had some money saved up from advertising and stuff like that. 'Cause When I went to Australia I actually made some good money through extra advertisers and other stuff, from all that exposure.

CWEBSTER2

Yeah, you say you make three to four thousand a month on the blog, but then in the same sentence you tell everyone on the blog that you have no money for these things, no money to pay back your wife--

CASEY

Well, yeah.

CWEBSTER2

--no money to pay back your mum's credit, no money to pay back Hammar... I mean, you know, on one hand you're begging for money, and on one hand you've suddenly got this money to, ah, to buy lawyers with. You know, it doesn't, ah, put a whole lot of trust in your money issues. Except, of course, we all know you need it.

CASEY

Okay. So what's your point?

CWEBSTER2

Well, I--

CASEY

I have money saved up from the advertising. I paid my, ah, payments on the corporate credit, that took a big chunk from it. 'Cause I was--

CWEBSTER2

Well how much corporate credit do you have left?

CASEY

What is it?

CWEBSTER2

Well, what's the balance on that corporate credit line?

CASEY

I'm not going to tell you what the balance is. But it's-- it's in the double digits, and I've gotta take care of it soon. The low double digits.

CWEBSTER2

Double digits like, we're talking ten grand to ninety-nine grand? Not like, ten dollars, to, you know?

CASEY

I guess that's a really big range, double digits. I'll just leave it at that. I mean, there's speculation out there, I don't want to confirm or [unintelligible] it--

CWEBSTER2

And your, your mum's the guarantor on the whole-- that whole amount?

CASEY

(pause) She... is... yeah, she helped me with that.

CWEBSTER2

Okay. I guess that's all I've got for you that round. Thanks.

CASEY

Sounds good, all right, thanks.

[edit] David

(37:23)

CASEY

Um, okay, David, are you there, you wanna ask a question or not? David.

DAVID

Hi, just wanted to ask if you've been formally criminally charged, that's all.

CASEY

If I've been what?

DAVID

Criminally charged.

CASEY

Um, no I have not.

DAVID

Oh, okay, that's good news, alright.

CASEY

So I can still travel around and do whatever I want to do. But I am getting my defense ready, just in case. And I don't want to get into too much into that, but I do have a criminal attorney I'm speaking with, and stuff like that. I mean, that whole thing is really bothering me, but uh, I just gotta do what I gotta do. And it's gonna be really expensive but uh, that's all I gotta do.

DAVID

Well, focus on income then.

CASEY

Alright David. Good, thanks.

[edit] BirdDoggingMailMan

(38:10)

CASEY

All right, BirdDoggingMailMan, shoot, another question.

BIRDDOGGINGMAILMAN

Yeah, I was curious, um you know, with all the stuff you've been through with spending the thousands and thousands of dollars on all the different seminars, and reading all the Rich Dad books and all that stuff, um: if somebody was looking to get into the same type of business, you know doing real estate or flipping whatever, um, would you tell people to stay away? Or do you think it's something you did wrong, or do you think it's kind of the whole idea, the whole method is flawed maybe? Or... what advice would you give to somebody?

CASEY

You know, I think you read my mind, I was going to do my next post on that exact thing. Because someone emailed me asking me: what advice would I give to a brand new investor who wants to get into the field? Um, and you'll have to read my post, but: basically, I don't say that gurus and seminars are bad. I don't say they're good. There's some good, there's some bad, I've seen it all. Um, you just have to be very careful. Here's one thing I'll tell people, do not use your credit cards to buy this so-called real-estate investing education. Do not use your credit cards. Here's why: I financed all of it on my credit, and then I was under pressure to make it work. And if I didn't make it work, I had all these bills. And so, those gurus do tell you, oh, Other People's Money, OPM, use your credit cards to buy more courses. Well, I disagree with that. 'Cause I've gone through it. If you can afford it, you have the cash for it, yeah you can buy it, but just be careful, just buy the stuff that's really quality. And there's, there's some stuff out there, I just can't give you personal recommendations. Um, but, don't use your credit card. Second, find a mentor. Go to a local real estate investing club. Don't, don't buy the guru stuff -- I mean, some of it is okay, but most of it is fluff. Ah, but find a mentor, one that's done it, one that's willing to take you under his wing. Most of the time he's not going to charge you anything. And that's usually the good kind of mentor. And he's just gonna, usually it's an older guy, who's just gonna help you out. And that's one thing I didn't do. But now I'm kind of, ah, looking around for something like that. So.

BIRDDOGGINGMAILMAN

Yeah. Um, I know one thing that I was kind of, you were always talking to previous callers on previous shows about how, you know, it's education, kind of equating it with college, something like that. One thing I wish I could have told you, you know, and kind of raises a red flag for me, is that if you're paying -- what is it, like sixteen thousand dollars for a one week course at NRU or something, you know -- that money could buy you a full year, or more, at a real college. And it just doesn't seem like it's really wort--

CASEY

Does real college teach you investing?

BIRDDOGGINGMAILMAN

Well, not necessarily, but I think that, you know, you can learn enough skills from other places. You don't even have to go to college, you know, from like books and from other things. It just seems like if a place is charging that sort of exorbitant amount of money, it seems like they're in to do it, they're in for it to kind of make as much money as they can. And especially if they have other things like, you know, they recruit you to sell recruitments, and they have referral fees, and, I-- it just seems like they're in it more to make money than to really educate anybody. But, I don't know.

CASEY

Well, I, I-- well, you know how it is, every business is in it to make money, but at the end of the day is there a value? I wanna say, though, if you compare NRU with something like Russ Whitney or Robert Allen, you get for sixteen grand the same amount that you would get for seventy thousand with Russ Whitney for example. And I've gone to both. And, ah, so I'm not going to say it's good or bad, but it is much better value than some of the other gurus. But there's a lot, lot of ways to learn for like a small fraction of that. You can learn for free. There's a lot of ways to go online and forums and things like that. But then some people don't have a lot of time and they want condensed knowledge. So there's different ways to go.

BIRDDOGGINGMAILMAN

Yeah, yeah. All right, that's all I had, thanks a lot.

CASEY

All right man, thanks for the question. Keepin' it short and sweet. And we like it sweet, don't we? Sweeet.

[edit] LostSite

(41:53)

CASEY

All right, LostSite, go ahead.

LOSTSITE

Hey, I'm back already. All right. Casey, I've got to say, you're handling this, er, talk better than you've handled any of the other ones, um--

CASEY

Yeah.

LOSTSITE

It's been quite, quote, much much better. You're learning very well on that. I got one question, I do want to make a couple of quick comments though before that. Ah, one of the things that you mentioned here is, ah, is that you love to make deals, ahm-- Well, this is my question. You love to make deals, but how are you going to do that when you're working for somebody else?

CASEY

Well, if I can work for somebody who is doing deals, and I help him do those deals, then it's all good, right? Especially if I can get some paid salary out of it.

LOSTSITE

Oh, okay. Well that's one way of looking at it. That's very good. And just a couple of comments, some quick comments so you can move onto the next one again, is, er... You mentioned some of your weaknesses. Um, did you ever think that the way to deal with weaknesses is to just face them and keep doing them until they're no longer weaknesses?

CASEY

Yeah. You've gotta, you've gotta rough out your rough edges. At the same time, if you read books on, like, business and success, they all tell you to play from your strengths. But don't forget your weaknesses.

LOSTSITE

That's right. You've gotta, you've got to make your weaknesses stronger. And just remember one other thing, ah, Casey: in life, you're either doing the screwing, or somebody's screwing you.

CASEY

Ah-ha-ha, yeah?

LOSTSITE

In business, it's more like that than you'll ever know. You've got to be a little more shrewd if you want to be a business person.

CASEY

(quietly) Yeah.

LOSTSITE

You can't be, ah, you can't be your passive self that you are. You just have to go in there and take examples like Donald Trump, like, ah, Warren Buffett, ah, like any of those top-notch people out there, they are the shrewdest business people you ever want to meet. But they're successful. Keep that in mind, Casey.

CASEY

Well thanks for that. You're right, that's, that's definitely something I've got to learn. Because I kind of trust people too easily. And then I get taken advantage of. Or I take-- or I end up screwing other people when I get too impulsive, that's the other thing that I've got to watch out for.

LOSTSITE

Yes it is.

CASEY

Thanks for, ah, thanks for your feedback.

[edit] CHJTS

(44:00)

CASEY

All right, we're gonna move on! Keepin' it sweet, keepin' it fast! Shark. Go ahead for another question, Shark. How do you like, ah, this talkcast so far?

CHJTS

It's going pretty good. I hope you, er, come onto the last hatercast I ever have here in a couple of weeks. Probably be after you shut down your blog, though.

CASEY

(talking over him) Wait, are you going to have, are you going to have, are you going to have the after-hours one tonight? I might actually come onto that.

CHJTS

No. No. But I'm only going to host one more, Casey, I've already said it. Er... one more and that's it.

CASEY

All right.

CHJTS

I'm not hosting any other ones other than one more. But to comment on what the last caller just said--

CASEY

(talking over him) Well do this, just send, send--

CHJTS

What's that?

CASEY

Send me an email and I'll be sure to join, how's that?

CHJTS

Okay. To comment on what the last caller just said, you get screwed or people screw you? No. That's not the way frickin' business is done. You approach it with ethics and integrity, Casey, and you'll win every time. That's how I approach business, and I'll tell you what--

CASEY

So who's right, who's right? I have two people telling me two different things. Isn't that indicative of what this blog has been all about? Everyone giving me different kinds of advice.

CHJTS

Well-- Casey, if you approach, if you approach business with ethics and integrity, something you sorely lack I might add so you need to increase that to be a strength, then, ah, you, you're gonna be able to sleep at night. You're gonna be successful and you're gonna help people.

CASEY

Yeah.

CHJTS

You need to approach real estate helping people, Casey. It's, it's, it's a numbers game, it's a time game, but it's also helping people. If you approach with -- yes, you do have to have your, ah, formulas and whatnot, and your risk tolerance of what you go into -- but you have to go into it with the idea of helping people. Everything else is a side benefit.

CASEY

You're right.

CHJTS

That's how you approach it. Now, one of the things I wanted to comment on was, ah, you know, maybe everyone's saying you have a, you know, some type of mental disease or what not. Maybe you have a multiple personality disorder and you can blame all of this on, on a, on a different, er, personality. So you can get rid of it that way. So.

CASEY

(playing along) Yeah? You think that could be a good defense?

CHJTS

That could be a good defense there, Casey. You know, and, and... And then another thing before I go, ah, 'cause I know you've got to jump to the next caller, you're getting low on time, is, ah, you know, I think, ah, one of the best decisions you ever made was, er, when you hired Nathan to, er, fight LossMitPro. So, that's all I've got to say about that. So with that being said, Casey, I wish you good luck with your defense 'cause you're looking at some serious, er, you're looking at some serious stuff coming on with the FBI. So, ah, with that being said, you know, it burns a little bit closer to reality, so you know I've kind of backed off on my posts even kicking you in the teeth while you're down, so ah, I wish you the best of luck.

CASEY

All right, man. That was, ah, LostSite, I appreciate it. Thanks Shark.

[edit] Dwight

(46:34)

CASEY

Moving on. Dwight, we're back to Dwight. Do you have another question?

DWIGHT

Yeah, hi Casey. Can you hear me?

CASEY

Hey. Yeah.

DWIGHT

Yeah. Well, ah, you're sort of wrapping it up here and a lot of the topics are, um, you know, off-topic tonight. So I just wanted to say, you know, in case you should decide at some future point to do another blog or whatever, you know, the real value is you. Casey Serin. Not those other guys. If somebody else, you know, some of the other parties that've been involved in negotiating with you for, for the purchase of the blog where they'd acquire it, I think a lot of your audience would just lose interest. You know, I listened to last Saturday's talk where, was it, Duane or whatever was describing his plan... (laughs) for.. (laughs)

CASEY

Yeah.

DWIGHT

(laughing) for the domain, and I'm thinking "good luck", you know, this thing's just gonna die within thirty days if he takes over and Casey's gone. I mean, the man's got no imagination, no personality. You know, I admire you for the fact that you've been able to do everything in such an open-kimono style. You know, when I do business I tend to be pretty secretive, I keep my cards close to my chest, nobody really knows anything about what I'm doing unless they absolutely have to. And here you've gone open kimono in front of the whole country. You've not only talked about your, you know, successes but all your failures, which've been plentiful, and so on. And people like that.

CASEY

Yeah?

DWIGHT

I mean, that's, that's why they come to the site. So, you know, if you were ever to launch another site, even if you did sell I am Facing Foreclosure, and you started another blog or, or, or another full website: people would follow you. You know. They would go there because they're interested in Casey and what he's doing and, ah, I think here in America, and I'm an immigrant myself, you know, people are willing to give you a second chance. You know, you're the type of guy who when he gets socked down gets right back up and tries again. People like that, they admire that. And, so--

CASEY

Yeah.

DWIGHT

I just wanted to say that, that the real value there is not in the domain name, it's in you. Wherever you go, the masses are gonna follow. So, anyways, best of luck to ya.

CASEY

Well [audio dropout] maybe I'll have I am Facing Billions or something like that for my next one. But it'll be a few years before that happens. We'll see. Um, first I have to take care of all this mess and then... of course definitely improve on my weaknesses, but still play from my strengths.

So that was good. In fact it was all good. Seventy-five percent success rate, right? Sweet arbitrage and sweet leverage. Keepin' it real, and organic.

[edit] Chet

(49:30)

CASEY

All right, so, did we not get somebody yet? I think there's some new blood, fresh blood. Let's go for Chet... Chet Vertek. Chet Vertek, you want to say, er, ask a question? (pause) Chet Vertek.

CHET

(quiet) Yeah, can you hear me?

CASEY

Hey, you there?

CHET

Yeah, yeah, I'm here. Can you, can you hear me?

CASEY

Yeah, yeah. You're kind of really quiet. Maybe you can kinda speak up, and then we can all hear you.

CHET

Yeah, hang on, I'm gonna try and get the boost going on here in my, ah, my mic. (louder) Just got a new mic. Okay, hang on... (breath sounds) that better?

CASEY

Yeah, that's better. Yeah.

CHET

Okay, yeah, cool. Um, yeah, I was just wondering, you know, what's, er, how, how've things been going for you lately, like how are you holding up with all the, all of the stuff that's been going on with you?

CASEY

Honestly it's been crazy, but that's been the story for the last, what, ten months now, and even before that with my actual deals, so...

CHET

Right.

CASEY

Craziness is part of my life. And living it one day at a time, and fighting it, um... it's been tough lately because of the whole relationship thing. That has really been tough, honestly. Um, but, it's kind of been a wake up call for me, so I'm glad. In a way.

CHET

Yeah, I just, I just wanted to mention, ah, a different minor rebuttal to a previous call that you had there. The fellow who was explaining, ah, you know, if you'd spent the same amount of money that you spent on the seminars in, you know, getting a university education.

CASEY

Yeah.

CHET

And you mentioned that: are you taught how to invest in university? Um, I'd have to say, you know, it depends on what you take, right? If you take, ah you -- gee, what's the word I'm looking for -- like an economist course, right? Like I'm calling from Canada and we have a university here, the University of, ah, British Columbia, and they have a really strong economics course.

CASEY

Uh-huh.

CHET

And you do learn investment in courses like that. You know, in programs like that. Um... although I think it's more tailored towards the investment market, like Wall Street, but not really towards real estate. But the rules, the rules appear quite different. I mean, in order to deal in real estate here, you have to, ah, you have to pass accreditation courses and whatnot.

CASEY

Yeah.

CHET

Doing what is happening in the States can't happen up here.

CASEY

Mmm-hmm. Yeah, makes sense.

CHET

So the point I'm trying to make is that, you know, the education is important and beneficial and I think you would have been more, um, it would have served you better if you had gone to university. That's my own opinion. But I just, you know, hope everything works out for you in the end.

CASEY

Yeah. Sounds good, thanks for sharing that. Yeah, there's different ways to go. There's college, that's good, in fact I've always wanted to maybe get a college degree at one point here, but more for... just being more rounded. Not necessarily because I need a better job per se. But there's definitely value in it. People say I'm against college, or against W-2, each one has its own place! Right?

CHET

(quiet) Yeah, so you--

CASEY

You guys don't have W-2 in Canada, do you?

CHET

I, you know, I've never heard of W-2, what exactly does it mean?

CASEY

A W-2-- it's funny, in the US -- when I went to Australia, people were like, man, why do you guys keep hauling all these things up to the name of the form? 'Cause W-2's like the name of the form. It's not, that's all it is. Or it's 1099 and all this other stuff, it's really funny. But it's all good. All right, man, I'm going to put you on mute, and then-- thanks for sharing.

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CASEY

I'm just going to take one more! And I'm going to think long and hard to see which one I want to take. Let's see, who do I want to take... (pause) I don't know. (pause) There's some haterz here, some, some supporterz... (pause) Um... eh, I'm not going to take nobody. Changed my mind. Thanks guys for joining, this has, ah, been a fun-- fun talkcast. Short and sweet, keepin' it real, keepin' it organic. Going through, one question at a time, it was fun. Thanks for joining me. Well, catch you next Friday, same place same time. I am Facing Foreclosure .com talkcast is now over. Sweet.