IAFF Talkcast 9

From CaseyPedia

Contents 1 Summary 2 Opening Statements 3 LossMitPro 4 Duane LeGate 5 LostSite 6 HungryBear 7 Sebastian 8 Marty Stewart 9 LossMitPro 10 HeeKee 11 Annie 12 LossMitPro 13 Nigel Swaby 14 Nacho 15 Nigel Swaby 16 CaseyForLife 17 Dolph 18 Sharky 19 StarPuffCat 20 LossMitPro 21 Chief100 22 Benoit 23 SaveYourMarriage 24 LossMitPro 25 JasonM 26 Snackle 27 WhineWhine 28 Internet 29 Closing Statements 30 References

July 12th 2007: Casey again broadcasts from Sacramento's Capital Garage Cafe.^[1]

MP3: http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-8714/TS-32921.mp3

[edit] Summary

0:00:00 - Casey Serin

Casey "saw the light". LossMitPro and the mystery buyer of iamfacingforeclosure.com to follow.

0:02:30 - LossMitPro

0:10:06 - Duane LeGate

0:17:33 - John Kimble

Hater Seb tries to punk Casey with Arnold Schwarzenegger soundbites, but is too quiet to hear.

0:18:13 - LostSite

0:23:34 - HungryBear

0:32:51 - Sebastian

0:43:04 -- Marty Stewart

Marty is on. And he is angry.

1:01:12 -- LossMitPro

LossMitPro addresses a question from EN on the settlement agreement.

1:02:48 -- CHJTS

CHJTS calls in from a terrible connection and is almost unintelligible.

1:05:38 -- HeeKee

HeeKee calls in to ask Casey about his hair.

1:08:21 -- Annie

Annie praises all involves and mentions boobs.

1:15:14 -- LossMitPro

LossMitPro addresses a question from EN on the FBI.

1:15:58 -- Nigel Swaby

Nigel joins the bus plunge parade, but sits on the sidelines of a group discussion.

1:28:32 -- Nacho

Nacho makes a brief appearance.

1:30:43 -- Nigel Swaby

Nigel finally gets his say.

1:32:17 -- CaseyForLife

Casey says he was "contacted by a Hollywood producer."

1:39:47 -- Dolph

Dolph schools Casey on the nature of hate.

1:48:55 -- Sharky

Sharky recommends Casey go to sea.

1:53:36 -- StarPuffCat

StarPuffCat says Casey is being manipulated.

2:01:52 -- LossMitPro

LossMitPro, again, attempts to address the issue of the FBI investigation.

2:03:00 -- Chief100

2:16:25 -- Benoit

Benoit doesn't buy the turnaround; and reads Galina's comments from EN.

2:32:00 -- LossMitPro

LossMitPro forwards questions on travel and spending to Casey.

2:33:37 -- JasonM

JasonM offers kudos to all.

2:34:04 -- Voice

Voice is called but appears to be away from the phone.

2:34:28 -- Snackle

Snackle again suggests psychological help.

2:37:30 -- WhineWhine

2:45:27 -- Internet

2:55:00 -- Casey, LossMitPro, Duane

Casey, LossMitPro, and Duane make their closing remarks.

[edit] Opening Statements

(0:00)

CASEY

Welcome everybody to yet another session of I Am Facing Foreclosure talkcast. I am calling in from Capital Cafe-- I'm sorry, it's, uh, Capital Garage Cafe, downtown Sacramento. I have a few, uh, a few people that showed up here to, to watch this thing happen live, so this is, uh, should be fun. I'm going to say a few things first, and then there's a lot of good news that has been happening in the last day or so, just a lotta things. So we're gonna, um, bring that to light, in just a second. We'll let LossMitPro say a few things, and then we'll go to uh, we'll have a word from the person that bought the blog. And we'll have a few words with that person, and if the person's willing to reveal his or her identity, then you'll find out who that is.

First of all, for those that do not know, I kinda "saw the light", so to speak, and realized that after creating so much damage to my relationships, including my marriage, that it just wasn't worth any of this publicity. Even if I end up making money and losing my, losing my marriage and, and fail, then, what's it worth? To me, it's not a worthwhile tradeoff. And I kinda knew this before, but I just kept thinking that by making money and uh, leveraging all the attention, something positive, then I can come out on top. But, I was ignoring the fact that I can't do that without the support of people around me. And I'm very very sorry for, very very sorry for doing that to my family and especially my wife. And so, talk is cheap, now I have to show by my actions that things are gonna be different.

So that's all I gotta say, and for those of you, those that just saw the last post, I, uh... well, first of all, I decided to close down the blog. And uh, it's gonna happen on August 3rd, Friday August 3rd. It just seemed like a nice round date, 24 days from the time that I announced it, uh, 23 days now from today. And second, I was looking to sell the blog, and whatever I make was gonna go to pay off my wife's credit cards. And then of course I had the issue with LossMitPro, the whole lawsuit thing. We settled that... um, and all of this all happened at the same time.

[edit] LossMitPro

(2:30)

CASEY

So let's go ahead and... not say any more, and go to LossMitPro, and we'll have him say a few words. Go ahead. (silence) LossMitPro, are you on the line?

LOSSMITPRO

Hey Casey.

CASEY

Hey.

LOSSMITPRO

Hey.

CASEY

How ya doing?

LOSSMITPRO

Good good. Ah--

CASEY

Before, before, before you get into your, your side of the whole thing, let me just say and publicly apologize to you for kinda using some dirty tactics of putting your real first last name, as well as your business name, online. 'Cause I knew it was really important for you to stay, uh, to stay invisible on the Internet, aside from your handle, of course. And so I kind of uh-- And the thing was of course I wasn't happy with the way you were going about doing some of the stuff you were doing, but, regardless of all that, especially after our long talk, I realize that, hey, you had good intentions, and I'm willing to look past all of that stuff. And so I just want to apologize and hope there's no hard feelings and uh, hopefully we can move on from this.

LOSSMITPRO

Casey, there are no hard feelings, I think you know me well enough for that. And, and you know what, you know, I wanna say I'm sorry for the lawsuit, but, you know... we had a five hour talk (skeptical half-laugh) and it wasn't like you were, weren't aware of it. But, anyways, the point is, yeah, it's accepted, and so everybody knows I'm not some over the-- gonna try people when they cross me, you know. It uh, I think it worked out well, and uh, from here I'd like to discuss, you know, how this came about so folks get the clear picture, because I think a lot of people have the misunderstanding that, you know, you were motivated by, by the FBI investigation, and that's simply not true. Uh--

CASEY

Yeah.

LOSSMITPRO

A-and with that, I'll just start. What happened was Casey and I met at court. Casey, you know, if you don't know Casey, it's kinda hard to describe him actually, but when he gets, when he gets, when he gets stubborn, it's, it's pretty easy to tell.

CASEY

Yeah.

LOSSMITPRO

So, we were, we were by the clerk's office, right, right outside the, the courtroom. Uh, and we were discussing going into the chambers. Well, anyway, long story short, is Casey's, Casey's pacing back and forth, kinda asking me questions here and there, and I'm trying to kinda point him in the right direction. And, we have an obligation to meet and confer. I had extended that to uh, both Casey and Marty, and it was rejected by way of, of uh, Casey posting my stuff on his blog. So I rescinded it. In any case, I thought, okay, here's a good, here's a good big chance, I'll meet my obligations, so I extended that to Casey. And of course Casey's, you know, a bit stubborn, he refuses the first time, and I offer it to him again and I offer to it a third time, and that's when Casey kinda, kinda hit the light switch. So we, we, we start talking about this stuff. Uh, Casey told me what he wanted, and, you know, I told him what I needed and, and the kinda security I was looking for, that it wasn't about money, it was more about, you know, let's get this thing straightened out. If you're not gonna do it, you know-- here's what people were misunderstanding: I had cause of action. I have cause of action now. And I think people misunderstood that I was using, you know, some kind of frivolous complaint to, to get at Casey. It wasn't about that. I mean, to have a cause of action, somebody wrongs you, you can either exercise those rights, or you can exercise the right not to use rights. Well, up until that point, I'd exercised the latter, not to do anything. Uh, anyway, um, before we went into the court, we had to make a good talk. Casey let me know what he wanted and I, I could tell that Casey's sincere, so I, I thought, okay, well you know what, it's about people, it's not about grinding people. So I kinda, you know, I kinda relaxed my position and, uh, gave Casey the benefit of the doubt. We went in to speak with the judge in the chamber and-- Casey, I encourage you, we should discuss what was discussed in the chamber. Bottom line is this: we come out of the chambers and, by the time we come out of the chambers, it was disclosed at some point uh, that Casey was under investigation. Well, this is what I want to clear up, is Casey was not motivated to settle or to take down the blog by the FBI investigation. 'Cause at the time we were walking into the judge's chambers, he didn't know. Uh, so, take that for what it's worth, but that's the truth. Casey was motivated by, by a simple desire and a love for his wife and I, I respect that, and I appreciate that. And I think Casey is in a position right now where, you know, he, he, he wants to change, it's just a matter of people have to let him change.

CASEY

(long pause) Well, thanks for that Mark. You still there?

LOSSMITPRO

I'm here.

CASEY

Okay, good. Well, thanks for showing that side of the story. Um, do you want to uh, do you want to go into a little bit about our settlement. And I've already posted some things on the last post, and you can just kinda talk about that, and that way, then that would be good.

LOSSMITPRO

Okay--

CASEY

(interrupts) Again, we have to be careful because of uh, again, the certain procedures on things with the settlement, but go ahead and share what you can share.

LOSSMITPRO

Okay. I, I had some costs involved in this, and, uh, all I, you know, part of my dealings with Casey was I wanted to show some compassion, and I, believe me I coulda grinded Casey with-- nothing, nothing the guy could do, because we were already there. Eleventh hour. If I wanted to be crushing him, I could've. But rather than do that, again, and this, this is to demonstrate to everybody who has some doubt, you gotta give people a chance. So what I did was I, I uh, kind of uh, withdrew my, my intention to "go for the throat", if you will-- and by the way Casey, I apologize for that. Uh, anyway, I just asked the cost, and I asked for certain things to be done, uh, certain things in compliance with what Casey wants. So, there was a meeting of the minds, essentially. In other words, Casey wanted to sell the blog. He wanted to, to pay down some of his debt and his debt, by way of his wife. I thought that was honorable. He uh, he wanted to make sure that the, that, uh, that certain things were complied with, and I agreed to that. Um, in return for that, and to kind of, kind of reciprocate the good faith that I felt, I told Casey, "look, just pay my costs; sell the blog, pay my costs, and we're done", you know. In other words, he doesn't owe me the, uh, triple damages, I'm not gonna make a complaint. Had I made the complaint, the cost was close to $50,000, you know. The, the guy doesn't need that! He doesn't need, he doesn't need a headache.

CASEY

Yeah.

LOSSMITPRO

So I, I, I, I relented, and basically said, you know, "look, you know, I'm willing to give you another shot because I can see the sincerity." Based on the parameters of what took place that day, I can tell you folks that, again, in my heart of hearts, I felt-- and I do this for a living-- Casey was not motivated by anything other than what he said. So, just to be fair, I gotta speak out. It kinda sounds like I'm defending Casey, but-- maybe to a degree I am, because there are a lot of rumors out there, but the bottom line is, you know, the guy stepped up. And if a man's gonna step up and be, be a man, you know, you gotta give him a chance to, to prove himself. So far, I gotta tell you, the negotiations today and yesterday and all the dealings that have been going on, Casey's been a very stand-up guy. So, uh, you know, so far, so good.

CASEY

Sounds good, Mark. Well, thanks a lot for sharing all that. I think that'll be good enough for now, and then we'll open it up for questions later, and we'll be able to ask questions to both me and you.

LOSSMITPRO

Okay.

CASEY

At this point, I think it'd be good... I'm gonna go ahead and put you on mute just for a moment--

LOSSMITPRO

(interjects) Sure.

CASEY

--um, until that happens, but, um...

[edit] Duane LeGate

(10:06)

CASEY

Going to have to open it up to the buyer of the blog. And the blog was sold for $20,000 and 50% of the revenue for a year. And I'm happy about this deal, even though I had higher offers, because, um, this person, even though there's been some issues in the past, I-- my wife is comfortable and I'm, after dealing with some of these issues, I'm comfortable as well. Um, and so I know that the blog is going into good hands, and there'll be some good that will happen from that. So we'll go ahead and open it up to... the buyer. Go ahead, Mr Buyer of the blog-- of the domain.

DUANE

This may be one of the times when we start out [audio dropout]. Casey, hey, it's Duane LeGate, um--

CASEY

Hey Duane.

DUANE

Hey gang. Um... yeah, I bought the blog. And, um, for those of you out there, you know -- and I've already seen things out there speculating pre-done deal -- um, Casey had emailed me last night, he let me know that there was a higher offer, and I told him candidly to accept it. Um-- I think it's public knowledge that I had offered fifteen thousand before, because I thought, you know, that's kind of like what the, fair offer, that's what I'm willing to pay. And... bottom line is, after we talked, and I found out for a hundred percent positive that every dollar would go into an escrow fund for Galina, um, I kicked it to twenty for that reason. And then one of the things that I'm gonna do is in a way memorialize the I am Facing Foreclosure website, to truly turn it into a help scenario. And what I mean by that is not just giving advice, but we're going to put our money where our mouth is. And there's a reason for the fifty percent revenue. It's not net profit, it's gross revenue. And we're going to have expenses coming in, um, on that, and basically it's going to be a revenue-neutral deal for me. In, you know, quite candidly, there's not any profit after I pay salaries and compensation and everything else. But what we're going to do with the monies, um, we're going to continue to try to pay down Galina's debt, again, hence the fifty percent. If we are successful in the, ah, in the I am Facing Foreclosure transition, and the money goes well and we get Galina's stuff paid off, we will continue to help other people. And what I mean by that is, you know, there's a lot of people facing foreclosure. Some people use their house as an ATM, er, I, I, I hate to say it, but I have no interest in helping those people. Um, they've already kinda done it to themselves. But we have a lot of people through our other business, House Buyer Network, that come to us, we have between eight and nine thousand people a month, fairly consistently, coming to us, and you wouldn't believe some of the heartbreaking stories. And so what we've decided to do is to find someone, like a lady who's just lost her husband, which is an actual example, um, he literally died in a car wreck, has children, and because of all that, you know, X months behind, we're going to make up all the back payments and then put into an escrow fund some six months of future payments. And that's kind of like our way of continuing to give back to the community and to the people who deserve it. And we are getting ready to actually launch a save this house type of website, um, and then this deal with Casey just came down. We talked, um, Casey and I had a long talk last night. Um, goodness, I was up until two o'clock in the morning my time, which is late for me--

CASEY

Yeah.

DUANE

But, um, so, I've still got some, some issues with Casey and Casey still has some issues with me.

CASEY

Yeah.

DUANE

But we've kind of agreed to put some of those things aside, and, ah, we both have for at least this one deal a common interest. So that's kinda where I'm coming from.

CASEY

Sounds good. Well, thanks a lot for sharing that. Now I'll just go ahead and say that, ah, there's a lot of, there's been a lot of things going back and forth in the last however long it's been between Duane and I. But the thing is, through all of it, even though I disagree with his methods, after talking with him and, and kind of considering the entire situation, the help he's offered to my wife Galina, I, ah, I'd like to apologize for some of the things I've said about you, Duane. And, ah, even though again I don't agree with the way you did a lot of the stuff, I know that your intentions were good, and that's what I like to look at. I like to judge people by their intentions, not by necessarily their actions. Because people do things in different ways. So.

DUANE

Well, I, you know... and I can understand that, and thank you, and, you know, I've got to be perfectly candid with you. I've wanted you to turn around, and I think you know this, from day one.

CASEY

Yeah.

DUANE

Whether you and I had a business relationship, or whether you and I were feuding, that stance, from my standpoint, has not changed. And, you know, maybe I went over the top on some things, maybe I didn't. Um, you have still, you know-- this is just Chapter One of about fifty-eight chapters you're going to have to go through.

CASEY

Yeah.

DUANE

You've got a hell of a mess to clean up, and um, you've got to stay, and you know, continue to do the right thing. The wild thing is, is that, you know, for a long time no-one's going to believe you. And I understand that, and you should understand that also.

CASEY

Yeah.

DUANE

But only through your actions, this is a good first start, there's a few things that you've already done, it's been a good start, some things, um, that-- that are not shared yet, but it just-- I'm, I'm, I'm happy that you're going in that direction is all I can say.

CASEY

Okay. Well, I appreciate that. Thats, ah, I mean I, it took me a while to kind of quote-unquote see the light, but I'm, I'm happy that I'm kinda starting to do the right thing now. It's going to be really tough for me because there was a lot of damage that I have to undo, and I apologize for all the people that have been hurt by my actions. So, and, um, there's one particular person that's been hurt the most, and, um, all I can do at this point is just try to, try to do the right thing. And no more talk, but action. So, ah, Duane, thanks for your patience in the past, um, and ah also with, ah, LossMitPro, thank you guys, 'cause I know deep down inside you guys just had good intentions. I just, a lot of times I didn't see it, a lot of times I was angry at the way things were done, ah, but all in all you've done a lot of help towards both myself and, ah, my wife. So, thank you for that. [long pause] Um, Duane, I'm gonna go ahead and--

DUANE

Did you, did you mute me?

CASEY

No, no no no, what are you doing?

DUANE

I, I I I I'm sorry, I thought you were muted, you just ain't-- thanks for the kind words--

CASEY

Hey hey, here's what I'm going to do. Are you going to stick around Duane?

DUANE

Ah, yeah, I'll be on for a little bit, sure. If you want to put me on mute and people have--

CASEY

Okay, stick around for a few questions. What I want to do is we'll keep you unmuted and ah, just get a, get an opportunity for the audience to ask, ah, questions to any of us. So we'll start at the very top, I'm just going to go with the interface that I have here, and the person at the top will go first and on and on.

[edit] LostSite

(18:13)

CASEY

Okay, we're going to go with LostSite. Go ahead, LostSite.

LOSTSITE

Hi Casey! You there?

CASEY

Yeah. Okay, what's going on?

LOSTSITE

Not too much. Okay, I see you've made some good progress. Wow. Very fast. It's good that you're at least trying to make peaceful resolutions with everything so that you can move on with your life.

CASEY

Yeah.

LOSTSITE

That is good to see. Um... hopefully this thing that you have, this, um, that just came up, this FBI investigation, that you'll be able to basically take care of that without any serious repercussions. Which would be good. But ah, what ah, my question to you is that: what all of a sudden made you do this one-eighty?

CASEY

Well, you know, I think this has been in the works, and a lot of things contributed to it. And deep down inside I knew that, ah, no amount of money or fame was going to be worth a broken relationship, meaning my wife and people around me. But for some reason, maybe I was blinded, I don't know, I don't want to blame anybody, but I have been thinking that somehow by making some money I can solve everything. Well, money doesn't solve everything. It has to be done in the right way. And I kept stepping on people's toes, and I've done a lot of damage. So, at this point, it came to a place where I see all of it. So I'm glad that, ah, I'm glad that I've been able to see it.

LOSTSITE

Ah, that's, that's good, ah... was it something that, er, all of a sudden just something in your life that made you see this, or was it something that slowly progressed and finally after a while--

CASEY

It was a slow progression, but what really did it was when I went away to Australia -- which of course from my side I didn't think of it as that big of a deal, even though people were like how stupid is this? Then when I came back, and then even when I was there, I realized, oh man, must have done something really really bad this time. Because all of a sudden there's no communication, there's a whole different attitude, um... and I just, yeah, I just... wow... it was, I, I think that was kind of the tip of the-- I mean it was like the last straw I guess for me. And, and for the other person. If that makes sense.

LOSTSITE

Yeah, it was your [unintelligible].

CASEY

And, and, and I realize, I realized that I'm not willing to give up my marriage for, again, for... my financial dreams. It's just not worth it. To me.

LOSTSITE

Well, so let me ask you this, now that you've made this agreement with, er, ah, now I'm sorry, ah... oh, the person who's buying your, I'm sorry, I'm terrible with names sometimes, with the person who's buying your website here. And you've, ah, obviously I'm sure you've shown this to your wife, ah, is she any better now towards you?

CASEY

(long pause) I'm sorry, I missed the last part. Can you repeat it?

LOSTSITE

Oh, yeah, no problem. What I was saying is, now that this website is sold and I'm sure that you've consulted, you know, that you've consulted with your wife or you've told her what was going on--

CASEY

Yeah.

LOSTSITE

--and you've shown her what's going on, is she any better towards you now, ah, than, you know, the last week or so?

CASEY

Well... at this point I have not heard any kind of a response. But honestly, I'm not waiting for any kind of a big change to happen. All I keep hoping is that I keep doing the right thing and I just keep hoping that things will turn around. But at the same time I know I've done so much damage that I cannot expect things to turn around overnight. So.

LOSTSITE

Well, that's true, you can't, you know, everything is a slow progress. But I hope that, ah, you're doing this for yourself more than anything else, and not just trying to save your marriage from it. You should save your marriage by just doing th right things towards her. But this is something that, you know, you should do for yourself first.

CASEY

Yeah, no, I think that, I think this will be a positive step for me as well. And I think that's kind of how it works. In a marriage, I mean, it's a, it's a beautiful thing when it benefits both sides, but sometimes we don't-- the person doesn't see it. And I think then, and then, seeing it-- and I think a year from now I'll see the beauty of this whole thing, and me making the right decision now.

LOSTSITE

As long as you're sure of your decisions, you know. It's good that you're, you know, you're going to get out from any shady businesses that you may have done, or anything like that, and you're going to try to run the right path, that is a great and admirable thing to do. Ah, but at the same time, ah, you should never let go of any dreams that you may have, um, you know, just because of somebody else. This is something that you, yourself, have to live with for the rest of your life. And no person will ever create your happiness except for you. So always keep that in mind.

CASEY

Yeah. Well yeah, I'm aware of that, I just need to put those things aside because they've been dominating my mind for so long that it's just got to a point where it's unhealthy. So, but let, lets, lets wrap it up because we need to get to a few more callers. I appreciate you calling in. Um... I'll get you on the next round if I can. There's a lot of other callers on the line.

LOSTSITE

All right Casey. Yeah, if you can great, if not I want to wish you good luck.

CASEY

Okay. Well thanks a lot, man, I appreciate it. Thanks for the support. All right, so that was LostSite. We're going to go onto HungryBear, then SOEV, and then, um, Eunice. That's going to be the next order.

[edit] HungryBear

(23:34)

CASEY

So, HungryBear, go ahead. Let's keep it short. Go ahead.

HUNGRYBEAR

How are you doing, Casey?

[edit] Sebastian

(32:51)

CASEY

Okay, Sebastian. Go ahead Sebastian.

SEBASTIAN

Casey.

[edit] Marty Stewart

(43:04)

CASEY

Alright, um. [long pause] Um. [long pause] Okay, ah-- oh wait, hold on. We're gonna, we're gonna give this a shot. Um, LossMitPro and Duane, you're still there, right?

DUANE

Yes.

LOSSMITPRO

I'm here.

CASEY

Both of you are there?

DUANE

Yes.

LOSSMITPRO

I'm here.

CASEY

Okay. Okay. I'm, I'm-- look, before, before I make this move, um...

DUANE

(chuckles)

CASEY

I want to just ask you. I know we're just, ah, I know we're recording all this and stuff, but we're just going to kind of wing it. Um. I know there's a lot of things going on, but: Marty has actually called in. Um, are you guys willing to take questions from Marty?

LOSSMITPRO

Well, yeah.

DUANE

Yes.

CASEY

And Marty, I know you're on, but I-- again, I want to respect all sides and, and, I'm trying to get the best way out of this whole mess, so. If you guys are okay I'm going to put everybody on and we'll see what happens.

LOSSMITPRO

Cool.

DUANE

Hey Marty.

CASEY

Duane?

DUANE

Hey Marty? ... Marty, are you there?

CASEY

Hold on. Marty, is this-- Marty, is this you?

MARTY

Yes it is.

LOSSMITPRO (?)

Hey Marty.

CASEY

Okay.

MARTY

Alright, well, yeah. First I-- ahah, Duane and I had a conversation earlier. And, ah, Mark, I never talked to you, so, huh, I'd assume we'll be talking later, hoopefully, maybe...

LOSSMITPRO

Good. I hope so too, Marty.

MARTY

What's that?

LOSSMITPRO

I said I hope so too.

MARTY

Right. Now, um, I'm gonna-- now, again, I had an in-depth conversation with Duane a few hours ago, but, um, I just want to say a few things. Casey, I don't appreciate you not communicating with me at all. Um, now, it's a-- I don't even know what to say, other than now I one hundred percent realize the people who that really truly hate you and dislike what you're doing, in other words other people that you had business arrangements with that you, you know, basically just, just crapped all over them, that's, that's basically what you're doing to me. Um, and... you know, again, that just-- I don't take that lightly. Um, the second thing is, um, you know you--

CASEY

Marty, I'll take the blame for that. You're right. I did do a lot of flaky stuff in the past, and I apologize.

MARTY

Yeah, I--

CASEY

At this point, at this point the mess is so-- look, the mess is so crazy and so deep right now that I have to find the fastest way out of it and respect my wife. And that's why I'm doing what I'm doing.

MARTY

Right, okay--

CASEY

And I know I'm going to end up hurting more people in the process--

MARTY

Which is fine, which is fine. That's just a song and dance. But you need to still own up to agreements that you have with people. I totally respect the decisions you're making, but you need to be a man and not use third parties to talk to me, not send emails [unintelligible] the messages. You have to be a man and own up to every, everything that you're obligated to. So what I want to--

LOSSMITPRO

Marty may I-- Marty, may I interject? I mean, I respect your opinion, I do, but I think you misunderstand California law. Ah, Casey has settled my, my litigation. And part of the litigation was to sign over the, um, the rights to the book. And Casey has no, he has no, he's, he's, he's a dysfunctional party now. He--

MARTY

Right.

LOSSMITPRO

It's not between you and Casey any more, it's between you and I.

MARTY

Well actually Mark, I-- again, just let me interrupt, I just don't wanna cut your off, but: here's the thing. Casey contract with me and my company is null and void. He's breached the contract so many times, I-- it's null and void. So whatever he's sold you or assigned to you is basically toilet paper. Because he-- as far as the the agreement that he had with me and my company, it's, it's null and void. It's breached beyond belief. It's cheese.

LOSSMITPRO

Okay, okay, Marty, I'm not going to argue the finer points with you, but I will tell you this--

MARTY

Right, right, so you and I should talk off, off of this call. I have no problem with that. But I'm just saying, that's the standing I'm taking right now. Not, not between you and Mark-- er, myself and you, Mark, but between Casey and I. Casey, just so as you know, sending me an email saying you assign rights to somebody: I'm just saying B.S., because you don't have the rights to assign. As far as The Foreclosure Code book series, you have violated the agreement so many times, you don't own any part of that agreement any more. So you don't have anything to assign--

LOSSMITPRO

Well, Marty, I beg-- I beg to differ, Marty. Marty, Marty, I'm going to tell you up front here, I beg to differ. Okay. And I respect what you're trying to say. But you're talking two different elements here. I've had two separate I.P. attorneys, very predominant attorneys, look at that contract. You did not-- you guys didn't have an agreement for the I.P. rights. You had an agreement for the proceeds. There's a totally distinct difference.

MARTY

No, they're the right--

LOSSMITPRO

The I.P. rights-- Marty, the I.P. rights, I'm not going to argue with you now, the I.P. rights control. The controlling factor is now in my hands. I appreciate what you're saying, and I think you're upset because Casey kind of led you down, down, you know, down another path, but you know what: that's water under the bridge right now. So as far as I'm concerned, the I.P. rights are what I took assignment to, the I.P. rights are what control. You did not have assignment, you did not have right to the I.P. rights.

MARTY

Of, of I am Facing Foreclosure. Not Foreclosure Code, which my company owns--

LOSSMITPRO

No no, Marty, I've read the contract, two separate I.P. attorneys, very predominant men, have looked at it--

DUANE

Hey hey, hey hey hey hey, Marty? Hey, hey Marty?

MARTY

Yeah.

DUANE

You, you, you know what? I, I think you both have got very valid arguments. And I guarantee you that you could probably debate this all day long.

MARTY

Right, so we'll talk about that--

DUANE

But I'm not sure that this is the time or the place or the forum.

MARTY

Right, exactly, so we'll talk about that-- Duane, you can arrange the call, if possible, you know, maybe tomorrow, and we'll talk about that on the call. I don't want to get in an argument. But just a final thing on that: one of the, the clauses in the agreement, I'm going to read the, the thing right here. "Receive fifty percent of revenue and fifty percent ownership for the new book series, to be determined, private until the agreement is signed. Will have co-author billing on book, if mutually"-- oh, I'm sorry, [mumble]. Again, "receive fifty percent of revenue and fifty percent ownership for the new book series, to be determined, private until the agreement is signed. Will have primary author billing on book." So, so basically it does state revenue share and ownership. That's, that's the form of the agreement--

LOSSMITPRO

Yep, yep, again, Marty, I'm not going to argue with you, I can appreciate your beef with Casey, but, you know, it is what it is, and, I mean, it is what it is, man. I mean, I, it's, it's not my thing, it's the way the law is. So, I appreciate your sentiment, and I think we should talk later Marty.

MARTY

Yeah, I will--

DUANE

And, and, and, and-- this, this whole thing should be taken off-line. And, and-- Marty and I had discussed, potentially, today, and, and, it remains to be seen, you know, Marty's got to sleep on some things, but we discussed, maybe, a potential -- everybody drink -- win-win, okay, scenario to where Marty could potentially go on with The Foreclosure Code without, you know, Casey's content, and, and, and things like that. And-- you know, Marty and I had some very frank conversation, ah, today -- and it was a good one, but it was a frank one. And, you know, I-- I think the best thing for all parties involved is to kind of like let's let this thing die and move on. And it's what, you know -- everybody knows I'm in Galina's court right now, I want to help protect her. You know, Casey doesn't want the book to be published, Marty is out money, ah, there's no winners in this scenario, but there could potentially be if we all kind of work together instead of, you know, pissing on each other, so... I, I think we can take this off-line and kind of make it work.

MARTY

Right, I, I agree. So, so Mark, I have nothing against you, I've never spoken to you before, Duane, I've spoken to you twice, and it's always been a civil conversation. I mean, you guys obviously had business dealings with Casey in the past, and now I totally understand your frustration. I, I, I-- it hit me like a ton of bricks. Um, but ah-- so, so yeah, if we can have that conversation off-line I'd appreciate it. Um, other people, you know, may be-- you know there's-- I have assistants, they've been screenshotting like all of the, all of the hater sites out there like day in and day out, and, so, I've been kind of oblivious to certain things going on unless they've been [mumble] my attention, so -- you know, I have other clients and a business to run, so I've been trying to stay out of the, the drama, so, you know, people haven't heard me speak, it's just because I'm, I'm a businessperson, I don't go out and talk about details of certain things, it's just not good business, but, um... So setting all that aside, Casey, since you're, again, you're just -- there's absolutely nothing, I have nothing against Mark or Duane, but -- you're just ducking and avoiding. So I just want to know, how are you going to pay all the expenses that you're leaving my company holding the bag on. With, ah, unpaid vendors, et cetera. What are, what is your response to that and what are you doing to do about it?

CASEY

My response is, again, I apologize for everything that's going on--

MARTY

Well fuck, fuck your apology! Are you actually s--

CASEY

--and let's, ah, let's talk about this off-line.

MARTY

No. There's--

CASEY

Let's, ah, let's discuss all that offline.

MARTY

All right, and then-- so anybody listening to this, you can go to foreclosurecode.com and, um, periodically, I may be posting some stuff on there. Not gonna make this a dirty laundry kind of thing, but, um, just-- Casey, I mean, you're alluding to your, on your blog, like I'm responsible for your marriage problems and other stuff. I mean that's, that's just so insulting, I mean hopefully everybody knows that, you know, you, you, you have dug your own problems, whether they're personal or business-wise, and to try to palm those off and use other people to, to run shotgun for you, I mean-- you know, it's, you've really got to own up, and, and, and just--

CASEY

You know what, there's, you're right, there's some truth to that, because I have been doing a lot of blaming, um, whereas I'm really the one responsible for all the marriage problems. And, and, and so you're right, I, I agree with that.

DUANE

Hey hey hey hey, hey Marty, I, I, I'm--

CASEY

And I'm going to stop doing that from this point on.

DUANE

I, I, I'm in no way jumping to Casey's defense. Because Casey is responsible for one hundred and eighty-five percent of all his problems. But, you know, that being said, I talked to you specifically about the damage to the marriage, and the blog and everything else, and the only thing I want to say on the record because you brought this part up was, that: basically, you know, business is business, marriage is marriage, and that's kind of like his own deal? And you really didn't give a crap. And so that's, that's where you drew my ire. And, ah, you know, I'm hoping that we can move past that. But, you know, let's call a spade a spade here, and ah, let's move on.

MARTY

Right, well, just, just one final thing on that. And Casey, this is the same thing. It's, um, because you were having so many personal issues and drama with your marriage, I, you know, it's like, I personally would not want to go through it, so I sympathize with you for having to go through all that, and whatever is going on between you and your wife. But I purposely didn't continually ask you about it because I knew it was a sore spot and you would deal with it in your own way. So I chose to ignore it, because I've been in business situations before where business partners, or joint venture partners, or whatever, they chose to use personal issues as excuses for not being able to fulfill their end of the bargain. That's purposely why I stopped asking about your personal life. I made a detachment there because, again, you always had a lot of excuses for a lot of different things with people. So that's why I didn't focus on that any more. If that clears that up. [pause] So anyways--

CASEY

So Marty, what do you think is the best way out of this mess?

MARTY

Ah, I-- [pause] I don't know. I'm, I'm, obviously I'm, to be honest I'm very biased towards you right now. So, ah, um, I don't have much to say--

CASEY

'Cause look, I know you're pissed off, I know I've hurt you by, by doing this. I've hurt a lot of people. Everybody who's unmuted right now, I've hurt at one point or another. And I want to again go on the record and apologize. Right now I'm just trying to put an end to this whole drama, um-- all of you guys have a reason to beat me up. You really do. I mean, you can just jump me right now if you were in the same room. But um, the thing that I'm, and maybe I have--

DUANE

Casey, can I start?

CASEY

Yeah, go ahead.

DUANE

Ah, no, I was just thinking, um, you said, "everyone has permission to beat me up," I'd just-- can I start?

LOSSMITPRO and MARTY

(laughs)

CASEY

Oh, you want, oh, you want to start, okay.

LOSSMITPRO and MARTY

(laughs)

DUANE

Well, Casey, you--

CASEY

Look, look, well look guys, the bottom line is this, I'm trying to do the best thing I can right now, choose my marriage over money and fame, and the thing is, I've let that be a weakness for me to where I thought money will solve everything, and it's not gonna. And I'm seeing this thing has, has gone further and further in towards destruction, and I've got to pull the plug, and in the process unfortunately I'm hurting more people, but I feel like the end result will still be a positive now that I'm doing the right thing.

MARTY

All right, well, ah, just-- my, my final words are, if, Duane, if you can arrange maybe a call tomorrow with me, you, and Mark--

DUANE

Sure. Sure.

MARTY

--but Casey, ah, I want you to call me tonight, separately, I don't want you to duck and hide and use excuses. I mean, you and I need to have a private talk.

CASEY

[pause, quietly] Sure.

MARTY

And that's, that's pretty mu-- and I'll--

DUANE

Hey Marty, I'm, I'm totally booked tomorrow morning up until noon, but that probably works out well because all you guys on the West Coast, I'll try to call you right after then.

MARTY

Or even Monday, whatever, I mean, I'm between--

DUANE

Okay.

CASEY

Now honestly Marty, I'll-- Marty, I was just going to say one thing real quick. I wanted to address the fact why I didn't call you after this whole thing just started happening. The reason I didn't call you, and I think this will kind of clear some things up, hopefully, is: honestly, I have a little bit of a weakness. I should have pulled the plug on this whole thing and just found a way to put a stop on it. But, ah, I kept, I kept going with the book because I thought there's a way out of it, ah, without my wife's permission, and I just fell into that. And I didn't want to talk to you because honestly, you have really good ideas, and I believe in them. I really do. I believe that the book could have been a big success. But just to me, it wasn't worth it. And for me to talk to you, I, I know myself enough, and I know my weakness enough, that I could have easily been swayed. And again, it's nothing against you personally, I just know myself, and that's just what I had to do. I could, I couldn't do that again so I had to kind of remove myself and let, let other people come in and ah-- and again the thing with, with LossMit, I mean yeah, he was going after me, so this was one of the ways to kind of, ah, put an end to it. And again I don't know if the tactics are making sense at this point, but: my end result is, get away from this whole thing. And not be swayed by my weaknesses.

MARTY

I-- I totally understand, but it's, it's going in one ear and out the other because of the way you handled stuff. So, huh, um, okay, so yeah, if we can have a conversation later tonight and then if -- Duane, I appreciate all, you know, obviously the communication and reaching out and communicating with all of us, and whatever works, whether it's Friday or Monday, ah, if you and Mark can have a, you know, conference call.

LOSSMITPRO

Done.

DUANE

I'm good with it.

MARTY

Okay. And, ah, I won't be listening to the rest of the call, I have another conference call to get on, but, ah, I appreciate, ah, the time and talking to you guys.

DUANE

All right, Marty.

LOSSMITPRO

Okay, we'll talk to you-- ah, I'll be, I look forward to talking to you, Marty.

MARTY

It's a date.

DUANE

Hey Marty, Marty, Marty--

MARTY

Yeah.

DUANE

One thing before you leave. Um, I asked you today, um, actually there's a lot of people that have asked me, if we're going to turn you into a hater. And I just need to know the final response.

LOSSMITPRO

(chuckles)

MARTY

Well-- (laughs) Yeah, well, I have a thick enough skin to, ah -- I, yeah, I shared a lot of expletives with you, Duane, as far as my response to what's going on--

DUANE

(laughs)

MARTY

--and you can say you told me so all you want, which I, I, I agreed to, I, I, you're right, you told me so, and you told me so however long ago, so-- but, ah, but yeah, so basically, um, I mean really-- nothing against anyone who's been following Casey's story, it's just I don't have enough time in the day to do it. Some people do it all day long, with following this, I, you know, I have a lot of clients and I've got a business to [unintelligible], so I have a [unintelligible] drama. So I don't know--

DUANE

Okay, okay. So you have become a passive hater? Just tell me that, you're a passive hater. [pause] Just admit you're a passive hater.

MARTY

[pause] You know, I'll, I'll-- I'll still stay neutral right now, um, I--

DUANE

(chuckles)

MARTY

But I have a lot of hate for each of you right now, of course I do, um, and I'm trying to keep a level head with it. But, so, regardless, um, I think, ah, obviously we'll be able to figure out the best situation for everybody. And, um, you know, so, I'll just kind of leave it at that.

DUANE

All right. My goal is to convert you. All right, man, take care.

MARTY

(chuckles) All right, see you guys.

CASEY

(mutes Marty) (pause) All right, thanks Marty for calling in. Man, this is, this is, this is really hard, guys, really hard for me to do. Because I'm having to hurt more people, and break more contracts, in order to get back to where I need to be. And I, and I, and I hate it, because there's no easy way out of it. I'm just going to have to just take more blows. But anyway, um--

LOSSMITPRO

Well, I wouldn't--

CASEY

Mark and Duane, are you still, are you still good?

LOSSMITPRO

Yeah, don't crucify yourself.

CASEY

To continue? Wow.

LOSSMITPRO

You know, as long as Marty's open to discussing it, I mean, where there's a will there's a way. There's a way to fix it if, you know, reasonable people come together Casey. So I mean, look, you did what did, I can see the guy's point, you know how hot I was at you, (laughing) so I can totally relate to where Marty's at, believe me! You know? You can't blame the guy--

CASEY

Yeah, like I said, I've hurt all of you guys at one point or another, so you guys should all, like, have a reason to beat me up right now, so...

LOSSMITPRO

Yeah, well, you know, we're not going to do that.

CASEY

(pause) Um... so okay, Mark-- I'm sorry, LossMitPro and Duane, are you guys still okay for taking more questions?

LOSSMITPRO

Yeah, sure.

DUANE

Sure.

CASEY

Yeah, all right, we'll keep going.

[edit] LossMitPro

(1:01:12)

LOSSMITPRO

And Casey, let me interrupt for a minute, because Relentless asked a very good question.^[2] And I, I really made a concerted effort, I want to address that, okay.

CASEY

Yeah.

LOSSMITPRO

I made a comment on Shark's, ah, on Shark's podcast, ah, that I wouldn't feel comfortable having-- going into a settlement agreement with you without you being represented.

CASEY

Ah-ha.

LOSSMITPRO

And I want to explain why we did that without you being represented. First of all, Casey doesn't-- Casey's funds are very limited right now. Casey expressed a desire that he would rather devote what funds he has for living expenses and hiring a criminal attorney, and to devote most of the money-- And to Casey's credit, it was Casey that said, because I asked Casey, I said well we can take some of the proceeds from the blog sale and hire you, you know, a criminal defense attorney so you'd at least get, you know, cut some kind of a deal and get some good representation. Casey said no. He said, I want all of it to go to pay down Galina's debt. So, he didn't have enough money -- long and short of it, he didn't have enough money to pay an attorney. And it wouldn't be proper for me to have, you know, somebody I know get involved, because it would be a conflict of interest. So, bottom line is, we did it without an attorney, even though I felt uncomfortable. But if, if, if people were to see the terms of the settlement agreement -- and they're not going to see it, and we're not going to discuss those -- the bottom line is I went overboard to try and be as fair and compensating to Casey as, as, as I possibly could without, you know, without looking like I'm giving away the farm. Um, and I think Casey would testify to that. So that addresses the Relentless question as to why I reversed that position. It was just a matter of economics, and getting something handled, you know.

CASEY

Sounds good. Well thanks for touching on that.

[edit] HeeKee

(1:05:38)

CASEY

All right, let's see what-- okay, we're gonna, next we're gonna grab -- I'm kind of jumping around, guys -- we're going to go for HeeKee. Go ahead. [pause] HeeKee.

HEEKEE

Hey Casey, how are you doing?

CASEY

Hey, I'm doing good! Thanks for calling in, is this your first time calling in?

HEEKEE

Yes it is.

CASEY

By the way, thanks, I want to publicly thank HeeKee for providing me some free hosting and, and some free support, a while back. Um, and I know people are saying that I threw HeeKee under the bus too, or, or-- or didn't treat him right. I don't remember what exactly happened there, but again I wanted to appreciate it, I never meant to, ah, take ad-- you know, take advantage of your offer, I-- I just, you know, there were some issues with the server, I ended up switching around a whole bunch of times, and there was just a lot going on. So go ahead.

HEEKEE

Oh, that's totally okay. In fact, I mean, you know the reason I hosted your site was because I enjoyed it so much. So...

CASEY

Yeah.

HEEKEE

You know. It's a shame that you're going off the air, but I know, I know it's for the best. Probably. And I wish you the best of luck. But there's going to be a lot of people who miss all the Caseyisms, that's for sure. So.

CASEY

Well thanks for calling in. And I appreciate all your help so far [unintelligible]. So we'll go ahead and... go on to the next person. Unless you have anything else. That's it?

HEEKEE

Yep. Take--

CASEY

All right, thanks for calling in. Um, oh, sorry, go ahead, I cut you off. Anything else?

HEEKEE

(pause) Hello?

CASEY

Yeah, is there anything else you wanted to say?

HEEKEE

Umm... hmm... so are you going to get a haircut for your job interview?

DUANE and LOSSMITPRO

(laugh)

CASEY

Ah, ha ha, am I going to get a haircut?

DUANE

You should, Casey.

HEEKEE

It's getting a little long.

CASEY

Yeah, I should get a haircut. My parents are saying where they're going to pay for it now, it's gotten that bad.

HEEKEE

Yeah, I was gonna, I was gonna offer to pay, pay for it, if you want (laugh) so... what, what, so you're actually--

CASEY

Well, I'll see what I can do. I don't want to commit.

HEEKEE

(laugh) So, so you're actually going to be able to, um, stay away from blogging for good then?

CASEY

Ah, man. (laugh) It's gonna be tough. But that's what I've gotta do.

(1:07:59)

CASEY

All right, we've got, we have like one, two, three, four, five five people here, in person, in the Capitol Garage Cafe. Anybody else wants to come down, you're welcome to hang out with a few other supporterz slash haterz slash whoever else wants to come down. All right, going on to-- sounds good, KeeKee -- we'll we're going to move on to the next person, thanks for calling in.

HEEKEE

Okay, no problem.

[edit] Annie

(1:08:21)

LOSSMITPRO

Hey Casey, Casey?

CASEY

Yeah.

LOSSMITPRO

Annie's asking to be-- Annie wants to speak with you, and she promises to be nice and respectful, so it's up to you to call on her.^[3]

CASEY

Oh, okay, okay, no problem. Let me get her on, let me look see where she's at. [pause] Yeah, I'm looking right now. [pause] What's her username, is it Annie?

LOSSMITPRO

I don't know.

CASEY

Yeah, I'm not seeing her... yeah, as soon as I see her pop on here-- ah, there she is, all right. It's AnnieAnswer, right? Go ahead, Annie. [pause] Check check?

ANNIE

Helloooo?

[edit] LossMitPro

(1:15:14)

LOSSMITPRO

Casey, Casey, Benot-- ah, I always mispronounce his name, is it Benoit? Sorry Benoit. He's asking if Judge McMaster actually informed you during the chamber meeting if the FBI was investigating.^[4] I will answer that.

CASEY

All right.

LOSSMITPRO

And the answer is, we did not go before Judge McMaster. And that's all I'm going to say about it. And the reason being, is because Casey and I agreed to keep certain things confidential, we confirmed it, it was honored by the court, and we have to have-- we have to respect the court. And it's not a contemptible thing, it's just a matter of respect. So, deal with it, that's the way it is, I'm not going to go into detail about it. But I thank you for the question.

CASEY

Sounds good.

[edit] Nigel Swaby

(1:15:58)

CASEY

Well, Nigel, are you on? Nigel, you're unmuted.

NIGEL

Hello? Yeah, I'm on.

CASEY

Hi.

NIGEL

I'm on, Casey. How are you?

LOSSMITPRO

Nigel, the man!

[edit] Nacho

(1:28:32)

LOSSMITPRO

Well listen, the people on EN and the people from caseyhaterz want Duane and me and Annie to shut up and they want to hear more from you.

ANNIE

Yeah.

LOSSMITPRO

So, let's do that. Go ahead, you talk.

CASEY

[long, long pause] Um, what am I going to say? Well I was going to have Nacho put on. Nacho, are you there?

NACHO

Oh hi! I didn't really want to say anything, I'm just in my car on the way to class, so I just want to say whoop-de-whoop big up to the haterz! So, that's all. Yeah, I'm just listening. You can un-- you can mute me now.

CASEY

Sounds good. That was Nacho. Thank you Nacho. We've had our [unintelligible] in the past [unintelligible], but thank you so much Nacho for, in the end, thank you for that positive email you sent me, today I think. So, that was, that was nice of you. Nacho, thank you for that.

NACHO

[pause] Oh, am I unmuted again?

CASEY

Yeah, I was just giving you a chance to respond.

NACHO

Well, you're very welcome Casey, and I just, you know, I've always wanted you to do the right thing. And it makes me feel good to see that you've finally, you know, the layer of denial is coming down a little bit. That's a good thing. And I just hope you stay on course and do what's right for your wife. Because, you really need -- I mean, she deserves this -- you really need to make this right. Because if you don't, she's going to be bitter, and she's going to take that with her to whatever relationship she's ever in again. And that's just not right, you know?

CASEY

Yeah.

NACHO

So I just really hope that you keep your priorities and just keep doing the right thing. Just keep on keeping on, boy!

CASEY

Sounds good, thanks a lot Nacho.

NACHO

You're welcome.

CASEY

Have a good time at class.

NACHO

Oh, yeah. Thanks.

CASEY

Okay, bye.

NACHO

Bye.

CASEY

All right, later.

(1:30:08)

CASEY

Alright, so, okay, Annie, you're still unmuted, if you want to have one last question, and then I'm gonna start taking other people. 'Cause, ah--

ANNIE

You know, I, I think I'm done. Um... I don't have anything more to say.

CASEY

All right Annie, um... now I've disagreed with some things you've said in the past, but you know what, again, I want to apologize if I ever offended you for anything in our little exchanges and verbal little fights in the past, but-- thanks a lot for coming on here and saying a few positive things.

ANNIE

Okay.

CASEY

Okay, that was Annie. Um, okay, let's see...

[edit] Nigel Swaby

(1:30:43)

CASEY

Nigel, do you have anything to say?

NIGEL

I'm--

CASEY

Is Nigel still unmuted?

NIGEL

Yeah, can you hear me?

CASEY

Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

NIGEL

Okay, um. Well, this is all very strange, because I read your post today and I, I didn't really believe it, but, um, if you're sincere--

CASEY

Yeah.

NIGEL

--and, and this is something that you deep down believe in, then I think you're headed in the right direction. And I hope that both Mark and Duane are able to keep you in line, and able to motivate you and help you as you go through this, because it's not going to get any easier. It's going to be a lot harder, um, to go through what you're going to be facing for a while here. So, um, I hope you're sincere and, and if that's the case you have my support. And I wish you well.

CASEY

Nigel, thank you for that. And I know you've always been a supporter. We've had our issues as well, I've kind of done some things to you, and again I want to apologize, um, in public, ah, as well. So.

NIGEL

I appreciate that, Casey, and I hope you understand that the things that I did, um, were to try to knock some sense into you. And I think it's finally worked. So, um, good luck to you.

CASEY

Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate that. Thanks Nigel.

All right, ah. Well that's been so far a really good exchange, a lot of characters have been coming on here. So let's see who else we're going to go for here. I'm just gonna start taking people on as I see 'em.

[edit] CaseyForLife

(1:32:17)

CASEY

We'll go with, we'll go with CaseyForLife, go ahead.

CASEY

All right, um, that was good, thanks for that feedback. Kind of explored some issues that I've been struggling with.

[edit] Dolph

(1:39:47)

CASEY

Okay, let me see who I can grab real quick. Okay, I see somebody by the name of Dolph. Let's try this person out. Go ahead.

DOLPH

Casey!

CASEY

Yeah.

DOLPH

How're you doing?

CASEY

All right. So that was Dolph. Sorry, didn't mean to cut you off. Gotta keep going. Thanks for your feedback.

[edit] Sharky

(1:48:55)

CASEY

We're going to go with Sharky. Not Shark, but Sharky. Let me find you here. Um... While I'm looking... hold on.

LOSSMITPRO

Casey, while you're looking, can I make a comment?

CASEY

Hold on, hold on-- okay, Sharky, go ahead.

SHARKY

Hello, hobbit, can you hear me?

CASEY

Hey, yeah.

SHARKY

Can you hear me?

CASEY

Yeah, yeah.

[edit] StarPuffCat

(1:53:36)

[edit] LossMitPro

(2:01:52)

LOSSMITPRO

Hey Casey, so Benot-- er, Benoit keeps asking about the FBI stuff, and you know what? Again, I'm going to say to Benoit, I appreciate what you guys want. They want to confirm, did the judge say anything about the investigation in the chambers? And I'm going to say it again: out of respect for the court, I've asked Casey to comply with that, it's not about being held for contempt, it's just about respect, guys. We have to go before the court together on the 20th. I don't want to get called on the carpet, I don't know about you, but if you've ever been before a judge that's ticked off, you know. We've got some things in the works here that are good, productive, and I don't want to see it get ruined. Because for all I know, you know, the judge is watching this stuff. So the bottom line is this: we're going to respect what we reported to the court, nothing is going to be said as far as what was said inside chambers. That's disrespectful. And I'm not going to go there, I encourage Casey to do the same. So I appreciate your question, I'm avoiding it for a reason, okay, so please understand.

Anyway, sorry about that. Go ahead.

CASEY

Sounds good, thanks for putting that-- for saying that, Mark. I mean, er, LossMitPro, sorry. I keep making the mistake.

LOSSMITPRO

You can call me Mark, Casey--

[edit] Chief100

(2:03:00)

CASEY

All right, Chief100, you're on.

CHIEF100

Hey, thanks guys.

CASEY

Sounds good.

DUANE?

Chief.

CASEY

Hey, Cheif, ah... I appreciate, you know what guys, I appreciate Chief's, ah, skepticism. There's, there's a little bit of good in that. But, ah, at the same time, he--

LOSSMITPRO

Yeah, but Casey, come on. There's no-- I'm sorry I lose my... look, I'm sorry I lose my, my, my composure a little bit with people like that, but c'mon, you know! I mean, look, I consult for some of the largest-- I have consulted for some of the largest lenders in this country. I-- my name is known with CEOs. I'm not, I'm not some schmuck who came on the scene who doesn't know what the hell he's doing. I've looked at the documents, and if people don't like-- if people don't want to take me for what I am, I mean come on! I'm, I, I even went to Chris Wing and had Chris, Chris review the stuff. It's, it's cut and dry. And the people who keep accusing your wife of having something to do with the criminality aspect, to me it's, it's, it's just mind-boggling. It pisses me off. It's like no, it's like pointing your finger at someone, it's like stoning someone because you have a suspicion. It goes back to the, to the days of the witch-hunts, you know? I think that person's a witch, and what do they do? They string 'em up. It's bullshit. You know what, it's not the American way, it's not the way that law is conducted, your wife is innocent, and excuse me if I get a little hot when people start going down that direction, but you know? Goddamn it, the woman didn't do anything wrong. Get over it, people.

DUANE

Agreed.

LOSSMITPRO

Agreed.

CASEY

And I agree. Thanks for, ah--

DUANE

Casey? Okay--

CASEY

Yeah.

DUANE

Just, s-s-s-s-so you have two people saying that, one person has inside knowledge, and all agree the same thing. Chief, thanks for calling.

CASEY

(long pause) Well said.

[edit] Benoit

(2:16:25)

CASEY

All right, let's get Benoit on here. Benoit, are you-- oh, hold on. Benoit, are you there?

LOSSMITPRO

My man!

BENOIT

Hey, Casey, can you hear me?

CASEY

Yeah, I can hear you, go ahead. Microphone's yours.

[edit] SaveYourMarriage

(2:24:35)

CASEY

All right, so Sebastian wanted to speak. Well before I get Sebastian, why don't I give this guy SaveYourMarriage a shot real quick, because that's what it's all about. Go ahead, SaveYourMarriage.

SAVEYOURMARRIAGE

Casey, good to talk to you man!

CASEY

Hey! Thanks for your positive words.

SAVEYOURMARRIAGE

Yeah, yeah.

CASEY

Sound good.

SAVEYOURMARRIAGE

I sent you that email, and I'm, I'm, I know it's all coincidence, but, er, it seems that you were kind of, um, right along the lines where I was where kind of making amends with, er, Mark and Duane and, and working on your marriage a little bit, and shutting down the blog. I'm, I'm glad to see it man.

CASEY

Yeah.

SAVEYOURMARRIAGE

That's good stuff.

CASEY

All right, that was, ah, SaveYourMarriage. Appreciate it. That's what it's all about. All right, let's see if we can get a few more people that I, have not been on. I see Mr. King, I guess CashCall did call in after all. Um... let's see, but I did promise I'd give Sebastian just a quick-- wait, is he even on here? I don't see him on.

[edit] LossMitPro

(2:32:00)

LOSSMITPRO

Casey, there's a question asked. Somebody wants to know if your traveling days are over. Ah, and whether or not you have spending controls.

CASEY

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're over for now, unfortunately. Well, fort-- I guess it's fortunately, because it's for the better. I did enjoy the trips, but the amount of harm it's caused, I'm not proud of that. So.

LOSSMITPRO

What about your spending controls?

CASEY

My what?

LOSSMITPRO

Spending controls. In other words, have you thought about implementing some spending controls, okay? Have you got help with spending?

CASEY

Oh, spending?

LOSSMITPRO

Right, spending.

CASEY

Um... you mean like budgeting and stuff?

LOSSMITPRO

Yeah. I mean, I, I guess the question is this. Number one, you answered the traveling. But the second part of the question is, do you have any help with spending controls, spending control issues. In other words, are you contemplating going to maybe a debt manager to help you understand, or maybe taking a college course, to help you understand how to spend money and how to evaluate spending money a little better?

CASEY

(pause) Um... no, I wasn't thinking of that, but... no, I wasn't thinking of doing that, but... hey, that's a good idea too. (long pause)

And, um, anyway, let's ah, let me get a few more people that have not had a chance to speak, because I want to be fair to everybody. It's gone, it's already two hours thirty minutes. I'm only going to be able to get people that have not had a chance, and then we're going to cut it off. It, it's been such a good show, I just don't want to end it prematurely.

[edit] JasonM

(2:33:37)

CASEY

Hey, JasonM, you've been waiting for a while. JasonM.

JASONM

Hey Casey.

CASEY

Hey.

JASONM

Um, I didn't really have any questions for anybody, but just kudos to everybody. Um, Mark, Duane. It's great to see you starting to make a turnaround. And just keep with it. That's all I've got.

DUANE

Thank you.

LOSSMITPRO

Thanks.

CASEY

Thanks. Appreciate it. That's it?

JASONM

That's it.

CASEY

All right, thanks Jason.

[edit] Snackle

(2:34:28)

CASEY

Um, okay, Snackle. Snackle. Check check.

SNACKLE

Hello there again. Um...

CASEY

Hi.

SNACKLE

I want to touch briefly again about you getting some psychological help.

CASEY

Okay.

SNACKLE

Um, it seems like Galina has finally had the lightbulb go off in her head, which is a good thing. I appreciate what you guys have done for her, and I hope that you continue to help her. Um, in the meantime though it's going to be hard for you to deal with, ah, Casey. Plus you need to learn some tools in how to just deal with life. How not to turn statements into questions. How to not just say "I hear you", um, "that's a good idea", but instead to act on these ideas. Um--

CASEY

Hey, but that's my standard response, though, I've gotta keep going with it!

SNACKLE

Excuse me?

CASEY

(chuckles) I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. I was just saying that's my standard response. That always gets me out of trouble.

[edit] WhineWhine

(2:37:30)

CASEY

Okay, WhineWhine, go ahead. Thirty seconds.

WHINEWHINE

Hey Casey. Keepin' it sweet.

[edit] Internet

(2:45:27)

CASEY

Okay, real quick, two fourty-five, this thing cuts off at three, meaning three hours, and I have people here waiting, so, thirty seconds please. Internet, go ahead. A few words and that's it. Internet.

INTERNET

Hey Casey, how are you doing.

[edit] Closing Statements

(2:55:00)

CASEY

All right, guys, we're going to have to stop it right here, I was going to get more people, but it's just we're out of time. Um, plus I've got to go pee, I've got too much liquid... ah-huh, anyway...

LOSSMITPRO

That's information overload, Casey.

CASEY

Thanks to Duane and Mark for joining. Um, any last words? Thirty seconds.

DUANE

(inaudible)

LOSSMITPRO

All right. My last word is this. Fucking hell, folk, get a clue. Get a life. You know? And that's what we're talking about. Don't judge what you see. Judge Casey by what he's going to do. We all will do that. And, and I just encourage everybody: give the, give this guy a chance, you know. I know you have before, but I don't think you've seen the veracity of his movement like you have now. The blog's going, you've heard it first-hand... give the man some room.

CASEY

Sounds good, thanks Mark. Duane, last closing words.

DUANE

Ah, closing words. Um, um... lot of support out there for G. Um, and for that I appreciate it. Um, there's a lot of B.S. that's going on, about, you know, that very thing. And, you know, you can hide behind a, a, names and and, you know, B.S. monikers, and say things, but you've got to understand that those are real people you're talking to and they hurt. Um... I'm hoping that I can memorialize I.A.F.F. to truly turn it into what, something that Casey wanted. Um, I don't agree with everything that Casey has done. Casey and I still have a lot of disagreements. I'm in no way endorsing. But what I've done, I'm in no way endorsing his behavior, I truly hope that he turns the corner and I think most rational people would say the same thing. And I just wish everybody well. And that's, that's all I've got to say.

CASEY

Thanks a lot. Well, thanks a lot for everybody coming on board here and participating. Next one is going to be next Friday, as scheduled. Um, hope to see you there. I am Facing Foreclosure dot com talkcast is now over.

[edit] References

1. ↑ Photo Shoot: The World's Most Hated Blogger!, Travelscapes.com In and Around Sacramento, July 13th 2007
2. ↑ Negotiating a settlement with Casey without a lawyer involved..., comment by Relentless on EN, June 12th 2007 at 3:45 PM
3. ↑ I promise to be nice and respectful., comment by Annie on EN, July 12th 2007 at 6:04 PM
4. ↑ Please answer this straightforwardly., comment by Benoit on EN, July 12th 2007 at 6:11 PM